How Obama Plans to Unite Americans?
03-19-2008
, 06:27 PM
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 98
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You honestly think this will have any impact on race relations? How will a black man being elected POTUS magicly change the views that people like Jeremiah Wright hold against white people? Or change any of the numerous other problems facing black society in our country?
White people voting a black (half) man President will directly contradict what people like Wright, and others who share those views, are orating.
Blacks won't be able to rely as much on the crutch that they are in such a negative predicament because white people hold money/power away from them.
Black youth will have a positive role model in the top leadership in the country.
Black Americans will have significant representation in the country and likely more of them will take ownership and accountability in fostering America's prosperity.
America electing Obama sends a clear message: The majority of Whites in America are not racist and they view worth in a person in spite of his color. This belief has not been widely recognized by black Americans -- mostly because of the history (and current, to a lesser extent) racist culture in the USA.
03-19-2008
, 08:18 PM
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,036
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Sweet.
One of these days, maybe they will actually do this instead of using it as a talking point.
It will probably happen about the same time as fiscal conservatism once again becomes a republican value.
I wish the Republicans still did what most republican voters think they do.
One of these days, maybe they will actually do this instead of using it as a talking point.
It will probably happen about the same time as fiscal conservatism once again becomes a republican value.
I wish the Republicans still did what most republican voters think they do.
Most elected Republicans aren't conservative. Most elected Democrats are liberal.
03-19-2008
, 08:27 PM
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,036
Quote:
Sweet.
One of these days, maybe they will actually do this instead of using it as a talking point.
It will probably happen about the same time as fiscal conservatism once again becomes a republican value.
I wish the Republicans still did what most republican voters think they do.
One of these days, maybe they will actually do this instead of using it as a talking point.
It will probably happen about the same time as fiscal conservatism once again becomes a republican value.
I wish the Republicans still did what most republican voters think they do.
03-20-2008
, 06:54 PM
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Here's another thing to consider, though I loath it at present. If your utility function is liberty based, it's almost impossible to vote for a Democrat. There exists nothing in the current Obama platform/pipe dreams that will increase your liberty. Most everything will do the opposite. Gov health care = less liberty. Any additions to the nanny state = less liberty. And the Republicans are only marginally better. McCain may not be any better.
More war = less liberty
Warrantless wiretapping = less liberty
Secret prisons = less liberty
Corporate bailouts = less liberty
etc.
If you can provide ANY evidence of how Republicans have increased liberty in any area while they controlled the Pres, the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and a majority of governships -- all simultaneously -- I'd like to see it.
If you can't, then you might want to shut up about the whole liberty issue or you might want to switch to a libertarian or other party.
03-20-2008
, 10:32 PM
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You are incorrect to use repubs as baseline and say Dems only get worse from there.
More war = less liberty
Warrantless wiretapping = less liberty
Secret prisons = less liberty
Corporate bailouts = less liberty
etc.
If you can provide ANY evidence of how Republicans have increased liberty in any area while they controlled the Pres, the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and a majority of governships -- all simultaneously -- I'd like to see it.
If you can't, then you might want to shut up about the whole liberty issue or you might want to switch to a libertarian or other party.
More war = less liberty
Warrantless wiretapping = less liberty
Secret prisons = less liberty
Corporate bailouts = less liberty
etc.
If you can provide ANY evidence of how Republicans have increased liberty in any area while they controlled the Pres, the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and a majority of governships -- all simultaneously -- I'd like to see it.
If you can't, then you might want to shut up about the whole liberty issue or you might want to switch to a libertarian or other party.
03-21-2008
, 12:45 AM
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 428
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The issue is how does Obama plan to unify Americans? The implication in his message is that he'll seek bipartisan coalitions. FWIW McCain in his joining the gang of 14 has demonstrated that he'll reach across the Senate at least. I don't see a thing in Obama's plans that indicates he will. I'm thinking he's really referring to uniting Democrats and isn't too concerned with a lot of Republican ideas.
(Edited because I origionaly quoted him from memory and didn't get the exact words) "But I have to say that it is my central premise that the only way we will bring about real change in America is if we can bring new people into the process, if we can attract young people, if we can attract independents, if we can stop fighting with Republicans and try to bring some over to our side."
That is his plan for "bringing people together" as long as they agree with his far left views. This is a far cry from someone who actually crosses the isle and works with those who have a different view.
Last edited by canvasbck; 03-21-2008 at 01:00 AM.
03-21-2008
, 01:07 AM
Why exactly does the US need uniting anyway, other than to fulfill its name? It's not like we're in WWII (though some hawks would have you believe so). I mean sure, racial tension and such is a bad thing, but this whole idea of unity extends beyond that as some absurdly unrealistic metaphor, that there's some great big collective subconcious that all Americans share.
Of course it is the sad case of politics, not just Obama, that appeals to emotion are the most effective ways to be elected.
Of course it is the sad case of politics, not just Obama, that appeals to emotion are the most effective ways to be elected.
03-21-2008
, 01:08 AM
censor stultorum
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 11,707
How will white votes for Obama contradict Rev. Wright's racist views? The fact that lots of liberal whites believe Obama's lies about not buying much of Wright's positions despite a 20 year close association doesn't mean jack. It only means they would vote for anyone on the democratic ticket, the same as many repubs would vote for anyone on that ticket.
The thing that would contradict Wright's racism, extremism and nutjob beliefs would be be Obama admitting the wrongness of those views totally without justifications, and then from now only refusing to attend that church or associate with Wright.
03-21-2008
, 01:33 AM
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 428
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Why exactly does the US need uniting anyway, other than to fulfill its name? It's not like we're in WWII (though some hawks would have you believe so). I mean sure, racial tension and such is a bad thing, but this whole idea of unity extends beyond that as some absurdly unrealistic metaphor, that there's some great big collective subconcious that all Americans share.
Of course it is the sad case of politics, not just Obama, that appeals to emotion are the most effective ways to be elected.
Of course it is the sad case of politics, not just Obama, that appeals to emotion are the most effective ways to be elected.
I have seen nothing from Obama, and quite frankly, very little from the others that would indicate a willingness to work with the other party. The closest I have seen has been McCain with McCain-Fiengold, McCain-Leiberman, ect. For the record, I am a conservative that wasn't too pleased with McCain-Feingold but it at least showed that a few members of congress could cross the isle and actually work together.
03-21-2008
, 01:50 AM
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How will white votes for Obama contradict Rev. Wright's racist views? The fact that lots of liberal whites believe Obama's lies about not buying much of Wright's positions despite a 20 year close association doesn't mean jack. It only means they would vote for anyone on the democratic ticket, the same as many repubs would vote for anyone on that ticket.
The thing that would contradict Wright's racism, extremism and nutjob beliefs would be be Obama admitting the wrongness of those views totally without justifications, and then from now only refusing to attend that church or associate with Wright.
The thing that would contradict Wright's racism, extremism and nutjob beliefs would be be Obama admitting the wrongness of those views totally without justifications, and then from now only refusing to attend that church or associate with Wright.
I believe Wright has retired, so quitting the church accomplishes nothing. Also, can't you imagine belonging to a church and disagreeing with the clergy? I really don't care for the head priest at my church, and he has said and done things I strongly disagree with (local and personal things, not political - which are harder for me to take), but I am not changing my community or religion over it, any more than I am changing countries when I think the leader does and says things I disagree with.
Also, don't you have any friends or relations that have some nutty or even hatefull views? Do you instantly disassociate yourself from all of them? If not, does that instantly imply that you hold the same views? Obama has removed Wright from his campaign and denounced his statements. The fact that he is unwilling to throw him under a bus and label him as evil incarnate for political reasons is not a big deal to me.
03-21-2008
, 03:29 AM
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You are incorrect to use repubs as baseline and say Dems only get worse from there.
More war = less liberty wrong
Warrantless wiretapping = less liberty wrong
Secret prisons = less liberty wrong
Corporate bailouts = less liberty what bailouts have decreased liberty?
etc.
If you can provide ANY evidence of how Republicans have increased liberty in any area while they controlled the Pres, the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and a majority of governships -- all simultaneously -- I'd like to see it. see how much liberty you would have if terrorism wasnt being reasonably effectively contained offshore. Economic prosperity = more liberty. Thats how the Republicans have increased liberty.
If you can't, then you might want to shut up about the whole liberty issue or you might want to switch to a libertarian or other party.
More war = less liberty wrong
Warrantless wiretapping = less liberty wrong
Secret prisons = less liberty wrong
Corporate bailouts = less liberty what bailouts have decreased liberty?
etc.
If you can provide ANY evidence of how Republicans have increased liberty in any area while they controlled the Pres, the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and a majority of governships -- all simultaneously -- I'd like to see it. see how much liberty you would have if terrorism wasnt being reasonably effectively contained offshore. Economic prosperity = more liberty. Thats how the Republicans have increased liberty.
If you can't, then you might want to shut up about the whole liberty issue or you might want to switch to a libertarian or other party.
05-12-2008
, 06:48 AM
Regarding the original post, I'll refer you his website.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/education/
"At a Glance
* Early Childhood Education
* K-12
* Recruit, Prepare, Retain, and Reward Teachers
* Higher Education"
"Barack Obama's Record
Record of Advocacy: Obama has been a leader on educational issues throughout his career. In the Illinois State Senate, Obama was a leader on early childhood education, helping create the state's Early Learning Council. In the U.S. Senate, Obama has been a leader in working to make college more affordable. His very first bill sought to increase the maximum Pell Grant award to $5,100. As a member of the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions committee, Obama helped pass legislation to achieve that goal in the recent improvements to the Higher Education Act. Obama has also introduced legislation to create Teacher Residency Programs and to increase federal support for summer learning opportunities."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/civilrights/
"At a Glance
* Strengthen Civil Rights Enforcement
* Combat Employment Discrimination
* Expand Hate Crimes Statutes
* End Deceptive Voting Practices
* End Racial Profiling
* Reduce Crime Recidivism by Providing Ex-Offender Support
* Eliminate Sentencing Disparities
* Expand Use of Drug Courts"
"Barack Obama's Record
Record of Advocacy: Obama has worked to promote civil rights and fairness in the criminal justice system throughout his career. As a community organizer, Obama helped 150,000 African Americans register to vote. As a civil rights lawyer, Obama litigated employment discrimination, housing discrimination, and voting rights cases. As a State Senator, Obama passed one of the country's first racial profiling laws and helped reform a broken death penalty system. And in the U.S. Senate, Obama has been a leading advocate for protecting the right to vote, helping to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act and leading the opposition against discriminatory barriers to voting."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/poverty/
"At a Glance
* Expand Access to Jobs
* Make Work Pay for All Americans
* Strengthen Families
* Increase the Supply of Affordable Housing
* Tackle Concentrated Poverty"
"Barack Obama's Record
* Tax Relief for Low-Income Working Families: Obama created the Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income working families in 2000 and successfully sponsored a measure to make the credit permanent in 2003. The law offered about $105 million in tax relief over three years.
* Housing: In the Illinois State Senate, Obama championed multiple pieces of legislation to help low-income families find adequate affordable housing."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
"At a Glance
* Quality, Affordable and Portable Coverage for All
* Lower Costs by Modernizing The U.S. Health Care System
* Fight for New Initiatives"
"Barack Obama's Record
* Health Insurance: In 2003, Barack Obama sponsored and passed legislation that expanded health care coverage to 70,000 kids and 84,000 adults. In the U.S. Senate, Obama cosponsored the Healthy Kids Act of 2007 and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) Reauthorization Act of 2007 to ensure that more American children have affordable health care coverage.
* Women's Health: Obama worked to pass a number of laws in Illinois and Washington to improve the health of women. His accomplishments include creating a task force on cervical cancer, providing greater access to breast and cervical cancer screenings, and helping improve prenatal and premature birth services."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
"At a Glance
* Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief
* Trade
* Technology, Innovation and Creating Jobs
* Labor
* Protect Homeownership and Crack Down on Mortgage Fraud
* Address Predatory Credit Card Practices
* Reform Bankruptcy Laws
* Work/Family Balance"
"Barack Obama's Record
* Housing: In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began.
* Predatory Lending: In the Illinois State Senate, Obama called attention to predatory lending issues. Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbying the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.
* American Jobs: Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/
"At a Glance
* Ending the War in Iraq
* Iran
* Renewing American Diplomacy
* Nuclear Weapons
* Building a 21st Century Military
* Bipartisanship and Openness
* On Israel
* On Africa"
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/
"At a Glance
* Judgment You Can Trust
* Bring Our Troops Home
* Press Iraq’s leaders to reconcile
* Regional Diplomacy
* Humanitarian Initiative"
"Barack Obama's Record
* Barack Obama opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning. In 2002, as the conventional thinking in Washington lined up for war, Obama had the judgment and courage to speak out against the war. He said the war would lead to "an occupation of undetermined length, with undetermined costs and undetermined consequences." In January 2007, Obama introduced legislation to responsibly end the war in Iraq, with a phased withdrawal of troops engaged in combat operations.
* Obama has a plan to immediately begin withdrawing our troops engaged in combat operations at a pace of one or two brigades every month, to be completed by the end of next year. He would call for a new constitutional convention in Iraq, convened with the United Nations, which would not adjourn until Iraq's leaders reach a new accord on reconciliation. He would use presidential leadership to surge our diplomacy with all of the nations of the region on behalf of a new regional security compact. And he would take immediate steps to confront the ongoing humanitarian disaster in Iraq."
Feel free to visit his website for more details and further issues.
www.barackobama.com
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/education/
"At a Glance
* Early Childhood Education
* K-12
* Recruit, Prepare, Retain, and Reward Teachers
* Higher Education"
"Barack Obama's Record
Record of Advocacy: Obama has been a leader on educational issues throughout his career. In the Illinois State Senate, Obama was a leader on early childhood education, helping create the state's Early Learning Council. In the U.S. Senate, Obama has been a leader in working to make college more affordable. His very first bill sought to increase the maximum Pell Grant award to $5,100. As a member of the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions committee, Obama helped pass legislation to achieve that goal in the recent improvements to the Higher Education Act. Obama has also introduced legislation to create Teacher Residency Programs and to increase federal support for summer learning opportunities."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/civilrights/
"At a Glance
* Strengthen Civil Rights Enforcement
* Combat Employment Discrimination
* Expand Hate Crimes Statutes
* End Deceptive Voting Practices
* End Racial Profiling
* Reduce Crime Recidivism by Providing Ex-Offender Support
* Eliminate Sentencing Disparities
* Expand Use of Drug Courts"
"Barack Obama's Record
Record of Advocacy: Obama has worked to promote civil rights and fairness in the criminal justice system throughout his career. As a community organizer, Obama helped 150,000 African Americans register to vote. As a civil rights lawyer, Obama litigated employment discrimination, housing discrimination, and voting rights cases. As a State Senator, Obama passed one of the country's first racial profiling laws and helped reform a broken death penalty system. And in the U.S. Senate, Obama has been a leading advocate for protecting the right to vote, helping to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act and leading the opposition against discriminatory barriers to voting."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/poverty/
"At a Glance
* Expand Access to Jobs
* Make Work Pay for All Americans
* Strengthen Families
* Increase the Supply of Affordable Housing
* Tackle Concentrated Poverty"
"Barack Obama's Record
* Tax Relief for Low-Income Working Families: Obama created the Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income working families in 2000 and successfully sponsored a measure to make the credit permanent in 2003. The law offered about $105 million in tax relief over three years.
* Housing: In the Illinois State Senate, Obama championed multiple pieces of legislation to help low-income families find adequate affordable housing."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
"At a Glance
* Quality, Affordable and Portable Coverage for All
* Lower Costs by Modernizing The U.S. Health Care System
* Fight for New Initiatives"
"Barack Obama's Record
* Health Insurance: In 2003, Barack Obama sponsored and passed legislation that expanded health care coverage to 70,000 kids and 84,000 adults. In the U.S. Senate, Obama cosponsored the Healthy Kids Act of 2007 and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) Reauthorization Act of 2007 to ensure that more American children have affordable health care coverage.
* Women's Health: Obama worked to pass a number of laws in Illinois and Washington to improve the health of women. His accomplishments include creating a task force on cervical cancer, providing greater access to breast and cervical cancer screenings, and helping improve prenatal and premature birth services."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
"At a Glance
* Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief
* Trade
* Technology, Innovation and Creating Jobs
* Labor
* Protect Homeownership and Crack Down on Mortgage Fraud
* Address Predatory Credit Card Practices
* Reform Bankruptcy Laws
* Work/Family Balance"
"Barack Obama's Record
* Housing: In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began.
* Predatory Lending: In the Illinois State Senate, Obama called attention to predatory lending issues. Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbying the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.
* American Jobs: Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/
"At a Glance
* Ending the War in Iraq
* Iran
* Renewing American Diplomacy
* Nuclear Weapons
* Building a 21st Century Military
* Bipartisanship and Openness
* On Israel
* On Africa"
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/
"At a Glance
* Judgment You Can Trust
* Bring Our Troops Home
* Press Iraq’s leaders to reconcile
* Regional Diplomacy
* Humanitarian Initiative"
"Barack Obama's Record
* Barack Obama opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning. In 2002, as the conventional thinking in Washington lined up for war, Obama had the judgment and courage to speak out against the war. He said the war would lead to "an occupation of undetermined length, with undetermined costs and undetermined consequences." In January 2007, Obama introduced legislation to responsibly end the war in Iraq, with a phased withdrawal of troops engaged in combat operations.
* Obama has a plan to immediately begin withdrawing our troops engaged in combat operations at a pace of one or two brigades every month, to be completed by the end of next year. He would call for a new constitutional convention in Iraq, convened with the United Nations, which would not adjourn until Iraq's leaders reach a new accord on reconciliation. He would use presidential leadership to surge our diplomacy with all of the nations of the region on behalf of a new regional security compact. And he would take immediate steps to confront the ongoing humanitarian disaster in Iraq."
Feel free to visit his website for more details and further issues.
www.barackobama.com
05-12-2008
, 12:51 PM
OK, I'll try to tackle this ridiculously long list of vague tag lines, meaningless rhetoric, and terrible plans.
Quote:
Regarding the original post, I'll refer you his website.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/education/
"At a Glance
* Early Childhood Education
* K-12 (What does this even mean)
* Recruit, Prepare, Retain, and Reward Teachers I agree, but highly doubt he will implement anything remotely similar to a free market method of getting good employees by paying more and actually allowing bad employees to be fired.
* Higher Education" Again, what does this mean? More funding for it? Maybe we should stop subsidizing useless majors like 15th century french poetry, and people would learn actually skills to help them in their life.
"Barack Obama's Record
Record of Advocacy: Obama has been a leader on educational issues throughout his career. In the Illinois State Senate, Obama was a leader on early childhood education, helping create the state's Early Learning Council. In the U.S. Senate, Obama has been a leader in working to make college more affordable. His very first bill sought to increase the maximum Pell Grant award to $5,100. As a member of the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions committee, Obama helped pass legislation to achieve that goal in the recent improvements to the Higher Education Act. Obama has also introduced legislation to create Teacher Residency Programs and to increase federal support for summer learning opportunities."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/civilrights/
"At a Glance
* Strengthen Civil Rights Enforcement lol, what's wrong with it now. The only thing I see is punishing cops who kill people. But cops are a whole other problem that need to be fixed, not just when they kill black people
* Combat Employment Discrimination LOL
* Expand Hate Crimes StatuteslOL, so murdering you because you're black is worse than murdering you simply because I HATE you. Wait, how can I murder you without it being a hate crime. So if it's to steal your money, then that's better.
* End Deceptive Voting Practices
* End Racial Profilingwhere, in the airports? I think there should be more. Why in the world, would you just randomly stop people. If you have statistical FACTS on who is more likely to be a criminal, why not use that information? Should we be stopping 80 year old women?, mexicans? Or maybe people who are most likely to actually cause violent acts on an airplane? Or are we talking about cops again? Cops suck and **** everybody and need to be dealt with and how they constantly violate civil liberties. It would open everyone's eyes to take a police procedure law class, at a law school, not a police training school. Cops f*ck everyone, not just black people and need to be dealt with accordingly.
* Reduce Crime Recidivism by Providing Ex-Offender SupportI agree, good point.
* Eliminate Sentencing DisparitiesI assume again, he's referring to black people. There's also disparity with the same 2 people who committed the same exact crime together, but had separate trials. I think the whole court system in general if f*cked which is hugely biased towards people who have the money to piss away on lawyers. ie. you get arrested for stealing $1000 worth of stuff, oh you have no money, felony, case closed. You get arrested for stealing $1000 worth of stuff, oh you want to hire a lawyer, OK, we'll say actually you stole $499 worth of stuff, OK it's a misdemeanor now. WTF?
* Expand Use of Drug Courts" Agree, actually just make them legal and be done with it
"Barack Obama's Record
Record of Advocacy: Obama has worked to promote civil rights and fairness in the criminal justice system throughout his career. As a community organizer, Obama helped 150,000 African Americans register to vote. As a civil rights lawyer, Obama litigated employment discrimination, housing discrimination, and voting rights cases. As a State Senator, Obama passed one of the country's first racial profiling laws and helped reform a broken death penalty system. And in the U.S. Senate, Obama has been a leading advocate for protecting the right to vote, helping to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act and leading the opposition against discriminatory barriers to voting."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/poverty/
"At a Glance
* Expand Access to JobsWhat does this even mean. Since when does the government every do a good job of creating jobs. Unless of course they actually do simply create them by making useless bureaucratic jobs that the rest of subsidize and can never be gotten rid of, because we must continue to feed the beast
* Make Work Pay for All AmericansNO, ******ed
* Strengthen Families??? how do you do that. More workout eqipment?
* Increase the Supply of Affordable HousingNO. get a better job, and stop expecting the rest of us to support your ass. or maybe get a roommate. I went to UCLA and 3 of us lived in a dorm room that was maybe 250sqft. But it's ok, we were just college students.
* Tackle Concentrated Poverty"see above
"Barack Obama's Record
* Tax Relief for Low-Income Working Families: Obama created the Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income working families in 2000 and successfully sponsored a measure to make the credit permanent in 2003. The law offered about $105 million in tax relief over three years.
* Housing: In the Illinois State Senate, Obama championed multiple pieces of legislation to help low-income families find adequate affordable housing."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
"At a Glance
LOL at Obama thinking that the government can get involved and make things better and more efficient. Really, could you show me one instance ever, where the government actually made things more efficient and not less, or even kept it the same. Also, the govt screwed this up to begin with, why does it think more regulation is the answer, just get rid of the business tax break that disincentives personal responsibility for heath care and all the other problems will take care of themselves
* Quality, Affordable and Portable Coverage for All
* Lower Costs by Modernizing The U.S. Health Care System
* Fight for New Initiatives"
"Barack Obama's Record
* Health Insurance: In 2003, Barack Obama sponsored and passed legislation that expanded health care coverage to 70,000 kids and 84,000 adults. In the U.S. Senate, Obama cosponsored the Healthy Kids Act of 2007 and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) Reauthorization Act of 2007 to ensure that more American children have affordable health care coverage.
* Women's Health: Obama worked to pass a number of laws in Illinois and Washington to improve the health of women. His accomplishments include creating a task force on cervical cancer, providing greater access to breast and cervical cancer screenings, and helping improve prenatal and premature birth services."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
"At a Glance
the more benifets, the more % of people get and the less percentage of people who actually pay for them, thus leading to no incentives to not vote in more govt subsidies will lead to one of 2 things. 1. govt bankruptcy and failure or more likely 2. further govt involvment in how they want us to behave, because they must control our lives, because they can't afford not to, because they're paying for everything. How many times must the communist experiment be tried until people finally realize, it doesn't work.
* Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Reliefthey already pay substantially less than their fair share
* Tradewhat does that mean. You want to stop it? Because that's what regulation and tariffs do big guy
* Technology, Innovation and Creating Jobsagain, because the govt is great and doing this things
* Laborwhat does this even mean. you like the labor party in britain?
* Protect Homeownership and Crack Down on Mortgage Fraudyou mean, from the homeowners defrauding banks? Oh no, the poor people who didn't know what they were signing. I didn't know there were so many illiterates in this country. Oh, or wait, they did know what they were signing and now regret it, so IT WAS FRAUD.
* Address Predatory Credit Card PracticesLOL, because dumb ass people buy too much **** and then want to keep it without paying it back
* Reform Bankruptcy Lawsso people can't do it anymore and make the rest of us who don't file bankruptcy subsidize those who decide to legally steal? Oh no probably not, to further make people feel the victims, because the evil credit card companies actually expect to be paid back
* Work/Family Balance"what does this even mean
"Barack Obama's Record
* Housing: In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began.
* Predatory Lending: In the Illinois State Senate, Obama called attention to predatory lending issues. Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbying the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.
* American Jobs: Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/
"At a Glance
I disagree with most, but not to the point where he is fundamentally wrong as in the above economic issues, so i'll let it be
* Ending the War in Iraq
* Iran
* Renewing American Diplomacy
* Nuclear WeaponsExcept here, lol. what does this even mean
* Building a 21st Century Military
* Bipartisanship and Openness
* On Israel
* On Africa"
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/
"At a Glance
ehh
* Judgment You Can Trust
* Bring Our Troops Home
* Press Iraq’s leaders to reconcile
* Regional Diplomacy
* Humanitarian Initiative"
"Barack Obama's Record
* Barack Obama opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning. In 2002, as the conventional thinking in Washington lined up for war, Obama had the judgment and courage to speak out against the war. He said the war would lead to "an occupation of undetermined length, with undetermined costs and undetermined consequences." In January 2007, Obama introduced legislation to responsibly end the war in Iraq, with a phased withdrawal of troops engaged in combat operations.
* Obama has a plan to immediately begin withdrawing our troops engaged in combat operations at a pace of one or two brigades every month, to be completed by the end of next year. He would call for a new constitutional convention in Iraq, convened with the United Nations, which would not adjourn until Iraq's leaders reach a new accord on reconciliation. He would use presidential leadership to surge our diplomacy with all of the nations of the region on behalf of a new regional security compact. And he would take immediate steps to confront the ongoing humanitarian disaster in Iraq."
Feel free to visit his website for more details and further issues.
www.barackobama.com
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/education/
"At a Glance
* Early Childhood Education
* K-12 (What does this even mean)
* Recruit, Prepare, Retain, and Reward Teachers I agree, but highly doubt he will implement anything remotely similar to a free market method of getting good employees by paying more and actually allowing bad employees to be fired.
* Higher Education" Again, what does this mean? More funding for it? Maybe we should stop subsidizing useless majors like 15th century french poetry, and people would learn actually skills to help them in their life.
"Barack Obama's Record
Record of Advocacy: Obama has been a leader on educational issues throughout his career. In the Illinois State Senate, Obama was a leader on early childhood education, helping create the state's Early Learning Council. In the U.S. Senate, Obama has been a leader in working to make college more affordable. His very first bill sought to increase the maximum Pell Grant award to $5,100. As a member of the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions committee, Obama helped pass legislation to achieve that goal in the recent improvements to the Higher Education Act. Obama has also introduced legislation to create Teacher Residency Programs and to increase federal support for summer learning opportunities."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/civilrights/
"At a Glance
* Strengthen Civil Rights Enforcement lol, what's wrong with it now. The only thing I see is punishing cops who kill people. But cops are a whole other problem that need to be fixed, not just when they kill black people
* Combat Employment Discrimination LOL
* Expand Hate Crimes StatuteslOL, so murdering you because you're black is worse than murdering you simply because I HATE you. Wait, how can I murder you without it being a hate crime. So if it's to steal your money, then that's better.
* End Deceptive Voting Practices
* End Racial Profilingwhere, in the airports? I think there should be more. Why in the world, would you just randomly stop people. If you have statistical FACTS on who is more likely to be a criminal, why not use that information? Should we be stopping 80 year old women?, mexicans? Or maybe people who are most likely to actually cause violent acts on an airplane? Or are we talking about cops again? Cops suck and **** everybody and need to be dealt with and how they constantly violate civil liberties. It would open everyone's eyes to take a police procedure law class, at a law school, not a police training school. Cops f*ck everyone, not just black people and need to be dealt with accordingly.
* Reduce Crime Recidivism by Providing Ex-Offender SupportI agree, good point.
* Eliminate Sentencing DisparitiesI assume again, he's referring to black people. There's also disparity with the same 2 people who committed the same exact crime together, but had separate trials. I think the whole court system in general if f*cked which is hugely biased towards people who have the money to piss away on lawyers. ie. you get arrested for stealing $1000 worth of stuff, oh you have no money, felony, case closed. You get arrested for stealing $1000 worth of stuff, oh you want to hire a lawyer, OK, we'll say actually you stole $499 worth of stuff, OK it's a misdemeanor now. WTF?
* Expand Use of Drug Courts" Agree, actually just make them legal and be done with it
"Barack Obama's Record
Record of Advocacy: Obama has worked to promote civil rights and fairness in the criminal justice system throughout his career. As a community organizer, Obama helped 150,000 African Americans register to vote. As a civil rights lawyer, Obama litigated employment discrimination, housing discrimination, and voting rights cases. As a State Senator, Obama passed one of the country's first racial profiling laws and helped reform a broken death penalty system. And in the U.S. Senate, Obama has been a leading advocate for protecting the right to vote, helping to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act and leading the opposition against discriminatory barriers to voting."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/poverty/
"At a Glance
* Expand Access to JobsWhat does this even mean. Since when does the government every do a good job of creating jobs. Unless of course they actually do simply create them by making useless bureaucratic jobs that the rest of subsidize and can never be gotten rid of, because we must continue to feed the beast
* Make Work Pay for All AmericansNO, ******ed
* Strengthen Families??? how do you do that. More workout eqipment?
* Increase the Supply of Affordable HousingNO. get a better job, and stop expecting the rest of us to support your ass. or maybe get a roommate. I went to UCLA and 3 of us lived in a dorm room that was maybe 250sqft. But it's ok, we were just college students.
* Tackle Concentrated Poverty"see above
"Barack Obama's Record
* Tax Relief for Low-Income Working Families: Obama created the Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income working families in 2000 and successfully sponsored a measure to make the credit permanent in 2003. The law offered about $105 million in tax relief over three years.
* Housing: In the Illinois State Senate, Obama championed multiple pieces of legislation to help low-income families find adequate affordable housing."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
"At a Glance
LOL at Obama thinking that the government can get involved and make things better and more efficient. Really, could you show me one instance ever, where the government actually made things more efficient and not less, or even kept it the same. Also, the govt screwed this up to begin with, why does it think more regulation is the answer, just get rid of the business tax break that disincentives personal responsibility for heath care and all the other problems will take care of themselves
* Quality, Affordable and Portable Coverage for All
* Lower Costs by Modernizing The U.S. Health Care System
* Fight for New Initiatives"
"Barack Obama's Record
* Health Insurance: In 2003, Barack Obama sponsored and passed legislation that expanded health care coverage to 70,000 kids and 84,000 adults. In the U.S. Senate, Obama cosponsored the Healthy Kids Act of 2007 and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) Reauthorization Act of 2007 to ensure that more American children have affordable health care coverage.
* Women's Health: Obama worked to pass a number of laws in Illinois and Washington to improve the health of women. His accomplishments include creating a task force on cervical cancer, providing greater access to breast and cervical cancer screenings, and helping improve prenatal and premature birth services."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
"At a Glance
the more benifets, the more % of people get and the less percentage of people who actually pay for them, thus leading to no incentives to not vote in more govt subsidies will lead to one of 2 things. 1. govt bankruptcy and failure or more likely 2. further govt involvment in how they want us to behave, because they must control our lives, because they can't afford not to, because they're paying for everything. How many times must the communist experiment be tried until people finally realize, it doesn't work.
* Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Reliefthey already pay substantially less than their fair share
* Tradewhat does that mean. You want to stop it? Because that's what regulation and tariffs do big guy
* Technology, Innovation and Creating Jobsagain, because the govt is great and doing this things
* Laborwhat does this even mean. you like the labor party in britain?
* Protect Homeownership and Crack Down on Mortgage Fraudyou mean, from the homeowners defrauding banks? Oh no, the poor people who didn't know what they were signing. I didn't know there were so many illiterates in this country. Oh, or wait, they did know what they were signing and now regret it, so IT WAS FRAUD.
* Address Predatory Credit Card PracticesLOL, because dumb ass people buy too much **** and then want to keep it without paying it back
* Reform Bankruptcy Lawsso people can't do it anymore and make the rest of us who don't file bankruptcy subsidize those who decide to legally steal? Oh no probably not, to further make people feel the victims, because the evil credit card companies actually expect to be paid back
* Work/Family Balance"what does this even mean
"Barack Obama's Record
* Housing: In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began.
* Predatory Lending: In the Illinois State Senate, Obama called attention to predatory lending issues. Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbying the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.
* American Jobs: Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/
"At a Glance
I disagree with most, but not to the point where he is fundamentally wrong as in the above economic issues, so i'll let it be
* Ending the War in Iraq
* Iran
* Renewing American Diplomacy
* Nuclear WeaponsExcept here, lol. what does this even mean
* Building a 21st Century Military
* Bipartisanship and Openness
* On Israel
* On Africa"
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/
"At a Glance
ehh
* Judgment You Can Trust
* Bring Our Troops Home
* Press Iraq’s leaders to reconcile
* Regional Diplomacy
* Humanitarian Initiative"
"Barack Obama's Record
* Barack Obama opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning. In 2002, as the conventional thinking in Washington lined up for war, Obama had the judgment and courage to speak out against the war. He said the war would lead to "an occupation of undetermined length, with undetermined costs and undetermined consequences." In January 2007, Obama introduced legislation to responsibly end the war in Iraq, with a phased withdrawal of troops engaged in combat operations.
* Obama has a plan to immediately begin withdrawing our troops engaged in combat operations at a pace of one or two brigades every month, to be completed by the end of next year. He would call for a new constitutional convention in Iraq, convened with the United Nations, which would not adjourn until Iraq's leaders reach a new accord on reconciliation. He would use presidential leadership to surge our diplomacy with all of the nations of the region on behalf of a new regional security compact. And he would take immediate steps to confront the ongoing humanitarian disaster in Iraq."
Feel free to visit his website for more details and further issues.
www.barackobama.com
05-12-2008
, 02:57 PM
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 430
lolz at republicans promoting liberties
from bill of rights under bush. only a fraction of these actually combat "terror"
and the obvious fallacy that we are at war with "terrah"
from the wsj. if anybody really thinks this is anything but an extended nation building exercise needs to turn in their voter card stat. stop voting.
at this point i think many people see through this whole obama is a politician of change thing, but at least with him, the dem congress has a chance of completing its 100 day effort. its kinda overdue.
from bill of rights under bush. only a fraction of these actually combat "terror"
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2001
January
Presidential directive delays indefinitely the scheduled release of presidential documents (authorized by the Presidential Records Act of 1978) pertaining to the Reagan-Bush administration. Link
Bush and Cheney begin process of radically broadening scope of documents and information which can be deemed classified. Link
February
The National Security Agency (NSA) sets up Project Groundbreaker, a domestic call monitoring program infrastructure. Link
Spring
Bush administration order authorizes NSA monitoring of domestic phone and internet traffic. Link
May
US Supreme Court rules that medical necessity is not a permissible defense against federal marijuana statutes. Link
September
In immediate aftermath of 9-11 terror attacks, Department of Justice authorizes detention without charge for any terror suspects. Over one thousand suspects are brought into detention over the next several months. Link (pdf)
October
Attorney General John Ashcroft announces change in Department of Justice (DOJ) policy. According to the new policy DOJ will impose far more stringent criteria for the granting of Freedom of Information Act requests. Link
September-October
NSA launches massive new database of information on US phone calls. Link
October
The USA Patriot Act becomes law. Among other things the law: makes it a crime for anyone to contribute money or material support for any group on the State Department’s Terror Watch List, allows the FBI to monitor and tape conversations between attorneys and clients, allows the FBI to order librarians to turn over information about patron’s reading habits, allows the government to conduct surveillance on internet and email use of US citizens without notice. The act also calls for expanded use of National Security Letters (NSLs), which allow the FBI to search telephone, email and financial records of US citizens without a court order, exempts the government from needing to reveal how evidence against suspected terrorists was obtained and authorizes indefinite detention of immigrants at the discretion of law enforcement and immigration authorities.
NJ Superior court judge and civil liberties scholar Anthony Napolitano, author of A Nation of Sheep, has described the law’s assault on first and fourth amendment principles as follows, “The Patriot Act’s two most principle constitutional errors are an assault on the Fourth Amendment, and on the First. It permits federal agents to write their own search warrants [under the name “national security letters”] with no judge having examined evidence and agreed that it’s likely that the person or thing the government wants to search will reveal evidence of a crime… Not only that, but the Patriot Act makes it a felony for the recipient of a self-written search warrant to reveal it to anyone. The Patriot Act allows [agents] to serve self-written search warrants on financial institutions, and the Intelligence Authorization Act of 2004 in Orwellian language defines that to include in addition to banks, also delis, bodegas, restaurants, hotels, doctors' offices, lawyers’ offices, telecoms, HMOs, hospitals, casinos, jewelry dealers, automobile dealers, boat dealers, and that great financial institution to which we all would repose our fortunes, the post office. Link 1 | Link 2
November
Executive order limits release of presidential documents. The order gives incumbent presidents the right to veto requests to open any past presidential records and supercedes the congressionally passed law of 1978 mandating release of all presidential records not explicitly deemed classified. Link
2002
Winter
FBI and Department of Defense (DOD), forbidden by law from compiling databases on US citizens, begin contracting with private database firm ChoicePoint to collect, store, search and maintain data. Link
Spring
Secret executive order issued authorizing NSA to wiretap the phones and read emails of US citizens. Link
Spring
Transportation Security Adminstration (TSA) acknowledges it has created both a “No Fly” and a separate “Watch” list of US travelers. Link
May
Department of Justice authorizes the FBI to monitor political and religious groups. The new rules permit the FBI to broadly search or monitor the internet for evidence of criminal activity without having any tips or leads that a specific criminal act has been committed. Link
June
Supreme Court upholds the right of school administrators to conduct mandatory drug testing of students without probable cause. Link
November
Homeland Security Act of 2002 establishes separate Department of Homeland Security. Among other things the department will federally coordinate for the first time all local and state law enforcement nationwide and run a Directorate of Information and Analysis with authority to compile comprehensive data on US citizens using public and commercial records including credit card, phone, bank, and travel. The department also will be exempt form Freedom of Information Act disclosure requirements. The Homeland Security department’s jurisdiction has been widely criticized for being nebulously defined and has extended beyond terrorism into areas including immigration, pornography and drug enforcement. Link 1 | Link 2
2003
February
Draft of Domestic Security Enhancement Act (aka Patriot Act 2), a secret document prepared by the Department of Justice is leaked by the Center for Public Integrity. Provisions of the February 7th draft version included:
Removal of court-ordered prohibitions against police agencies spying on domestic groups.
The FBI would be granted powers to conduct searches and surveillance based on intelligence gathered in foreign countries without first obtaining a court order.
Creation of a DNA database of suspected terrorists.
Prohibition of any public disclosure of the names of alleged terrorists including those who have been arrested.
Exemptions from civil liability for people and businesses who voluntarily turn private information over to the government.
Criminalization of the use of encryption to conceal incriminating communications.
Automatic denial of bail for persons accused of terrorism-related crimes, reversing the ordinary common law burden of proof principle. All alleged terrorists would be required to demonstrate why they should be released on bail rather than the government being required to demonstrate why they should be held.
Expansion of the list of crimes eligible for the death penalty.
The United States Environmental Protection Agency would be prevented from releasing "worst case scenario" information to the public about chemical plants.
United States citizens whom the government finds to be either members of, or providing material support to, terrorist groups could have their US citizenship revoked and be deported to foreign countries.
Although the bill itself has never (yet) been advanced in congress due to public exposure, some of its provisions have become law as parts of other bills. For example The Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2004 grants the FBI unprecedented power to obtain records from financial institutions without requiring permission from a judge. Under the law, the FBI does not need to seek a court order to access such records, nor does it need to prove just cause. Link 1 | Link 2
March
Executive order issued which radically tightens the declassification process of classified government documents, as well as making it far easier for government agencies to make and keep information classified. The order delayed by three years the release of declassified government documents dating from 1978 or earlier. It also allowed the government to treat all material sent to American officials from foreign governments -- no matter how routine -- as subject to classification, and expanded the ability of Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to shield documents from declassification. Finally it gave the vice president the power to classify information. Link 1 | Link 2
March
In a ruling seen as a victory for the concentration of ownership of intellectual property and an erosion of the public domain, the Supreme Court in Eldred v. Ashcroft held that a 20-year extension of the copyright period (from 50 years after the death of the author to 70 years) called for by the Sonny Bono copyright Extension not violate either the Copyright Clause or the First Amendment. Link
April
In Demore v. Kim, the Supreme Court ruled that even permanent residents could be subject to mandatory detention when facing deportation based on a prior criminal conviction, without any right to an individualized hearing to determine whether they were dangerous or a flight risk. Link
Fall
The FBI changes its traditional policy of destroying all data and documents collected on innocent citizens in the course of criminal investigations. This information would, according to the bureau, now be permanently stored. Two years later in late 2005 Executive Order 13388, expanded access to those files for "state, local and tribal" governments and for "appropriate private sector entities," which are not defined. Link 1 | Link 2
Fall
As authorized by the Patriot Act, the FBI expands the practice of national security letters. NSLs, originally introduced in the 1970s for espionage and terrorism investigations, enabled the FBI to review in secret the customer records of suspected foreign agents. This was extended by the Patriot Act to include permitting clandestine scrutiny of all U.S. residents and visitors whether suspected of terrorism or not. Link
2004
January
The FBI begins keeping a database of US citizens based on information obtained via NSLs. Link
Spring
John Ashcroft invokes State Secrets privilege to forbid former FBI translator Sibel Edmunds from testifying in a case brought by families of victims of the 9-11 attacks. Litigation by 9-11 families is subsequently halted. Link 1 | Link 2
June
Supreme Court upholds Nevada state law allowing police to arrest suspects who refuse to provide identification based on police discretion of “reasonable suspicion.” Link
2005
January
Supreme court rules that police do not need to have probable cause to have drug sniffing dogs examine cars stopped for routine traffic violations. Link 1 | Link 2
June
Supreme Court rules that the federal government can prosecute medical marijuana users even in states which have laws permitting medical marijuana. Link
Summer
The Patriot Act, due to expire at the end of 2005, is reauthorized by Congress. Link
Winter 2005
Senate blocks reauthorization of certain clauses in Patriot Act. Link
2006
March
Senate passes amended version of Patriot Act, reauthorization, with three basic changes from the original including: recipients of secret court orders to turn over sensitive information on individuals linked to terrorism investigations are not allowed to disclose those orders but can challenge the gag order after a year, libraries would not be required to turn over information without the approval of a judge, recipients of an FBI "national security letter" -- an investigator's demand for access to personal or business information -- would not have to tell the FBI if they consult a lawyer. New bill also said to extend Congressional oversight over executive department usage guidelines. Shortly after bill is signed George Bush declares oversight rules are not binding. Link 1 | Link 2
June
Supreme court rules that evidence obtained in violation of the “knock and announce” rules can still be permitted in court. Link
September
US Congress and Senate approve the Military Commissions Act, which authorizes torture and strips non- US citizen detainees suspected of terrorist ties of the right of habeas corpus (which includes formal charges, counsel and hearings). It also empowers US presidents at their discretion to declare US citizens as enemy combatants and subject to detention without charge or due process. Link 1 | Link 2 | Link 3
October
John Warner Defense Authorization Act is passed. The act allows a president to declare a public emergency and station US military troops anywhere in America as well as take control of state based national guard units without consent of the governor or other local authorities. The law authorizes presidential deployment of US troops to round-up and detain “potential terrorists”, “illegal aliens” and “disorderly” citizenry. Link 1 | Link 2
2007
May
National Security Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD-51) establishes a new post-disaster plan (with disaster defined as any incident, natural or man-made, resulting in extraordinary mass casualties, damage or disruption) which places the president in charge of all three branches of government. The directive overrides the National Emergencies Act which gives Congress power to determine the duration of a national emergency. Link 1 | Link 2
June
In “Bong Hits for Jesus” case Supreme court rules that student free speech rights do not extend to promotion of drug use. Link
July
Executive Order 13438: "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq, issued. The order asserts the government’s power to confiscate the property “of persons determined to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq or undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people."
October
The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Act passes the House of Representatives 400 to 6 (to be voted on in the Senate in 2008). The act proposes the establishment of a commission composed of members of the House and Senate, Homeland Security and others, to "examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States” and specifically the role of the internet in fostering and disseminating extremism. According to the bill the term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change, while the term 'ideologically-based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.” Link 1 | Link 2 | Link 3
January
Presidential directive delays indefinitely the scheduled release of presidential documents (authorized by the Presidential Records Act of 1978) pertaining to the Reagan-Bush administration. Link
Bush and Cheney begin process of radically broadening scope of documents and information which can be deemed classified. Link
February
The National Security Agency (NSA) sets up Project Groundbreaker, a domestic call monitoring program infrastructure. Link
Spring
Bush administration order authorizes NSA monitoring of domestic phone and internet traffic. Link
May
US Supreme Court rules that medical necessity is not a permissible defense against federal marijuana statutes. Link
September
In immediate aftermath of 9-11 terror attacks, Department of Justice authorizes detention without charge for any terror suspects. Over one thousand suspects are brought into detention over the next several months. Link (pdf)
October
Attorney General John Ashcroft announces change in Department of Justice (DOJ) policy. According to the new policy DOJ will impose far more stringent criteria for the granting of Freedom of Information Act requests. Link
September-October
NSA launches massive new database of information on US phone calls. Link
October
The USA Patriot Act becomes law. Among other things the law: makes it a crime for anyone to contribute money or material support for any group on the State Department’s Terror Watch List, allows the FBI to monitor and tape conversations between attorneys and clients, allows the FBI to order librarians to turn over information about patron’s reading habits, allows the government to conduct surveillance on internet and email use of US citizens without notice. The act also calls for expanded use of National Security Letters (NSLs), which allow the FBI to search telephone, email and financial records of US citizens without a court order, exempts the government from needing to reveal how evidence against suspected terrorists was obtained and authorizes indefinite detention of immigrants at the discretion of law enforcement and immigration authorities.
NJ Superior court judge and civil liberties scholar Anthony Napolitano, author of A Nation of Sheep, has described the law’s assault on first and fourth amendment principles as follows, “The Patriot Act’s two most principle constitutional errors are an assault on the Fourth Amendment, and on the First. It permits federal agents to write their own search warrants [under the name “national security letters”] with no judge having examined evidence and agreed that it’s likely that the person or thing the government wants to search will reveal evidence of a crime… Not only that, but the Patriot Act makes it a felony for the recipient of a self-written search warrant to reveal it to anyone. The Patriot Act allows [agents] to serve self-written search warrants on financial institutions, and the Intelligence Authorization Act of 2004 in Orwellian language defines that to include in addition to banks, also delis, bodegas, restaurants, hotels, doctors' offices, lawyers’ offices, telecoms, HMOs, hospitals, casinos, jewelry dealers, automobile dealers, boat dealers, and that great financial institution to which we all would repose our fortunes, the post office. Link 1 | Link 2
November
Executive order limits release of presidential documents. The order gives incumbent presidents the right to veto requests to open any past presidential records and supercedes the congressionally passed law of 1978 mandating release of all presidential records not explicitly deemed classified. Link
2002
Winter
FBI and Department of Defense (DOD), forbidden by law from compiling databases on US citizens, begin contracting with private database firm ChoicePoint to collect, store, search and maintain data. Link
Spring
Secret executive order issued authorizing NSA to wiretap the phones and read emails of US citizens. Link
Spring
Transportation Security Adminstration (TSA) acknowledges it has created both a “No Fly” and a separate “Watch” list of US travelers. Link
May
Department of Justice authorizes the FBI to monitor political and religious groups. The new rules permit the FBI to broadly search or monitor the internet for evidence of criminal activity without having any tips or leads that a specific criminal act has been committed. Link
June
Supreme Court upholds the right of school administrators to conduct mandatory drug testing of students without probable cause. Link
November
Homeland Security Act of 2002 establishes separate Department of Homeland Security. Among other things the department will federally coordinate for the first time all local and state law enforcement nationwide and run a Directorate of Information and Analysis with authority to compile comprehensive data on US citizens using public and commercial records including credit card, phone, bank, and travel. The department also will be exempt form Freedom of Information Act disclosure requirements. The Homeland Security department’s jurisdiction has been widely criticized for being nebulously defined and has extended beyond terrorism into areas including immigration, pornography and drug enforcement. Link 1 | Link 2
2003
February
Draft of Domestic Security Enhancement Act (aka Patriot Act 2), a secret document prepared by the Department of Justice is leaked by the Center for Public Integrity. Provisions of the February 7th draft version included:
Removal of court-ordered prohibitions against police agencies spying on domestic groups.
The FBI would be granted powers to conduct searches and surveillance based on intelligence gathered in foreign countries without first obtaining a court order.
Creation of a DNA database of suspected terrorists.
Prohibition of any public disclosure of the names of alleged terrorists including those who have been arrested.
Exemptions from civil liability for people and businesses who voluntarily turn private information over to the government.
Criminalization of the use of encryption to conceal incriminating communications.
Automatic denial of bail for persons accused of terrorism-related crimes, reversing the ordinary common law burden of proof principle. All alleged terrorists would be required to demonstrate why they should be released on bail rather than the government being required to demonstrate why they should be held.
Expansion of the list of crimes eligible for the death penalty.
The United States Environmental Protection Agency would be prevented from releasing "worst case scenario" information to the public about chemical plants.
United States citizens whom the government finds to be either members of, or providing material support to, terrorist groups could have their US citizenship revoked and be deported to foreign countries.
Although the bill itself has never (yet) been advanced in congress due to public exposure, some of its provisions have become law as parts of other bills. For example The Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2004 grants the FBI unprecedented power to obtain records from financial institutions without requiring permission from a judge. Under the law, the FBI does not need to seek a court order to access such records, nor does it need to prove just cause. Link 1 | Link 2
March
Executive order issued which radically tightens the declassification process of classified government documents, as well as making it far easier for government agencies to make and keep information classified. The order delayed by three years the release of declassified government documents dating from 1978 or earlier. It also allowed the government to treat all material sent to American officials from foreign governments -- no matter how routine -- as subject to classification, and expanded the ability of Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to shield documents from declassification. Finally it gave the vice president the power to classify information. Link 1 | Link 2
March
In a ruling seen as a victory for the concentration of ownership of intellectual property and an erosion of the public domain, the Supreme Court in Eldred v. Ashcroft held that a 20-year extension of the copyright period (from 50 years after the death of the author to 70 years) called for by the Sonny Bono copyright Extension not violate either the Copyright Clause or the First Amendment. Link
April
In Demore v. Kim, the Supreme Court ruled that even permanent residents could be subject to mandatory detention when facing deportation based on a prior criminal conviction, without any right to an individualized hearing to determine whether they were dangerous or a flight risk. Link
Fall
The FBI changes its traditional policy of destroying all data and documents collected on innocent citizens in the course of criminal investigations. This information would, according to the bureau, now be permanently stored. Two years later in late 2005 Executive Order 13388, expanded access to those files for "state, local and tribal" governments and for "appropriate private sector entities," which are not defined. Link 1 | Link 2
Fall
As authorized by the Patriot Act, the FBI expands the practice of national security letters. NSLs, originally introduced in the 1970s for espionage and terrorism investigations, enabled the FBI to review in secret the customer records of suspected foreign agents. This was extended by the Patriot Act to include permitting clandestine scrutiny of all U.S. residents and visitors whether suspected of terrorism or not. Link
2004
January
The FBI begins keeping a database of US citizens based on information obtained via NSLs. Link
Spring
John Ashcroft invokes State Secrets privilege to forbid former FBI translator Sibel Edmunds from testifying in a case brought by families of victims of the 9-11 attacks. Litigation by 9-11 families is subsequently halted. Link 1 | Link 2
June
Supreme Court upholds Nevada state law allowing police to arrest suspects who refuse to provide identification based on police discretion of “reasonable suspicion.” Link
2005
January
Supreme court rules that police do not need to have probable cause to have drug sniffing dogs examine cars stopped for routine traffic violations. Link 1 | Link 2
June
Supreme Court rules that the federal government can prosecute medical marijuana users even in states which have laws permitting medical marijuana. Link
Summer
The Patriot Act, due to expire at the end of 2005, is reauthorized by Congress. Link
Winter 2005
Senate blocks reauthorization of certain clauses in Patriot Act. Link
2006
March
Senate passes amended version of Patriot Act, reauthorization, with three basic changes from the original including: recipients of secret court orders to turn over sensitive information on individuals linked to terrorism investigations are not allowed to disclose those orders but can challenge the gag order after a year, libraries would not be required to turn over information without the approval of a judge, recipients of an FBI "national security letter" -- an investigator's demand for access to personal or business information -- would not have to tell the FBI if they consult a lawyer. New bill also said to extend Congressional oversight over executive department usage guidelines. Shortly after bill is signed George Bush declares oversight rules are not binding. Link 1 | Link 2
June
Supreme court rules that evidence obtained in violation of the “knock and announce” rules can still be permitted in court. Link
September
US Congress and Senate approve the Military Commissions Act, which authorizes torture and strips non- US citizen detainees suspected of terrorist ties of the right of habeas corpus (which includes formal charges, counsel and hearings). It also empowers US presidents at their discretion to declare US citizens as enemy combatants and subject to detention without charge or due process. Link 1 | Link 2 | Link 3
October
John Warner Defense Authorization Act is passed. The act allows a president to declare a public emergency and station US military troops anywhere in America as well as take control of state based national guard units without consent of the governor or other local authorities. The law authorizes presidential deployment of US troops to round-up and detain “potential terrorists”, “illegal aliens” and “disorderly” citizenry. Link 1 | Link 2
2007
May
National Security Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD-51) establishes a new post-disaster plan (with disaster defined as any incident, natural or man-made, resulting in extraordinary mass casualties, damage or disruption) which places the president in charge of all three branches of government. The directive overrides the National Emergencies Act which gives Congress power to determine the duration of a national emergency. Link 1 | Link 2
June
In “Bong Hits for Jesus” case Supreme court rules that student free speech rights do not extend to promotion of drug use. Link
July
Executive Order 13438: "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq, issued. The order asserts the government’s power to confiscate the property “of persons determined to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq or undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people."
October
The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Act passes the House of Representatives 400 to 6 (to be voted on in the Senate in 2008). The act proposes the establishment of a commission composed of members of the House and Senate, Homeland Security and others, to "examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States” and specifically the role of the internet in fostering and disseminating extremism. According to the bill the term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change, while the term 'ideologically-based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.” Link 1 | Link 2 | Link 3
from the wsj. if anybody really thinks this is anything but an extended nation building exercise needs to turn in their voter card stat. stop voting.
Quote:
WASHINGTON -- The Pentagon has concluded it can't send additional troops to Afghanistan until sizable numbers of forces withdraw from Iraq, a senior military official said Monday.
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