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06-15-2017 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
dagger is an idiot who posts fake news he found on WND, idk why people would bother engaging him
Why does the left always turns to insult whenever facts hurt their feelings? Something isn't fake because you disagree with it. I see a lot of circle jerking in here to obvious fake news from leftist outlets, you don't have a problem with that.

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Originally Posted by fuluck414
Notice how they actually correct stuff? Still waiting for fox to do the same.
They correct stuff after it's been shared hundreds or thousands of times. Notice that most people don't share the corrected stuff.

Even more obvious fake news from CBS.

Headline: "Trump sells Qatar $12 billion of U.S. weapons days after accusing it of funding terrorism"

Later in the article: "The full arms sale, of over $20 billion for 72 F-15QA fighter jets, was notified in November 2016. This means it had already been authorized by congress and the executive branch, when President Obama was in office, before the Trump administration came into office."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-se...ing-terrorism/
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06-15-2017 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dagger9
Why does the left always turns to insult whenever facts hurt their feelings? Something isn't fake because you disagree with it.
Things are fake when they didn't happen. The only thing that hurts my feelings about your posting is your utter idiocy in trying to pass such things off as fact.
06-15-2017 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dagger9
They correct stuff after it's been shared hundreds or thousands of times. Notice that most people don't share the corrected stuff.
So what should they do to fix this, exactly?
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Even more obvious fake news from CBS.

Headline: "Trump sells Qatar $12 billion of U.S. weapons days after accusing it of funding terrorism"

Later in the article: "The full arms sale, of over $20 billion for 72 F-15QA fighter jets, was notified in November 2016. This means it had already been authorized by congress and the executive branch, when President Obama was in office, before the Trump administration came into office."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-se...ing-terrorism/
The same thing is true for the Saudi arms deal, the only difference I suppose is that Daddy wants credit for that one.

How should the news report on an arms deal between two countries that was started under previous leadership and finished by the current administration more fairly?

Lastly, why couldn't you be so critical about your own insanely ****ty source you posted earlier? It's a huge insult if a CNN reporter breaks a story and issues a correction less than half an hour later but I don't think you've admitted to using thetruthaboutguns.com as a legit source ~6 hours ago.
06-15-2017 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Military is already on Trump's side. Have you seen how much control he's given them over foreign policy? Have you seen any pushback from law enforcement or the executive branch over his private prisons or harmful deportation policies? Every major law enforcement union endorsed him and Jeff Sessions is the Attorney General who only cares about expanding mass incarceration as much as possible.
I know! And you wanna take civilian's guns away NOW? For the first time in my life, I'm thinking about buying a few.
06-15-2017 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
So what should they do to fix this, exactly?
The same thing is true for the Saudi arms deal, the only difference I suppose is that Daddy wants credit for that one.

How should the news report on an arms deal between two countries that was started under previous leadership and finished by the current administration more fairly?
"U.S. sells Qatar $12 billion worth of jets" would be a fine headline but probably doesn't generate as much clicks.


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Lastly, why couldn't you be so critical about your own insanely ****ty source you posted earlier? It's a huge insult if a CNN reporter breaks a story and issues a correction less than half an hour later but I don't think you've admitted to using thetruthaboutguns.com as a legit source ~6 hours ago.
Feel free to post a legit source if you have one.
06-15-2017 , 05:17 PM
I'm not the one going around claiming Democrats are responsible for the majority of gun violence, amigo.
06-15-2017 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I know! And you wanna take civilian's guns away NOW? For the first time in my life, I'm thinking about buying a few.
I really don't. I just want there to be some common sense regulations on them. The way this whole thing is going I'd say it's only wise to be armed.
06-15-2017 , 06:03 PM
In the grand scheme I guess it's no big deal, but how big of an idiot does Trump have to be to immediately go on Twitter and tell the country "Scalise will fully recover", when he has no freaking clue? Completely irresponsible. Now today at a presser he says "He's in some trouble".

It pales in contrast to the actual shooting BUT it certainly give even less confidence that this president will ever be less than an absolute s**tshow in the event of a genuine national emergency.
06-15-2017 , 06:40 PM
Lestat you know like, people know you're full of ****, right? Like nobody is thinking "holy cow this liberal has convincingly argued for the right wing position here, unlike his track record of being left wing, that must mean it's true"
06-15-2017 , 06:44 PM
I know it's hard but as someone who has convincingly bull****ted someone in my life I will give you this incredibly simple but apparently extremely hard to follow advice:

Concede some issues and pretend to be liberal on them, then the right wing position will seem out of character. You cannot merely just say "Oh I'm totes left wing, but just not on THIS" when THIS is literally every ****ing issue. Disagree with one Trump supporter, with one conservative, on the merits. Just one would go so far, but you can't ****ing do it, because you're a middle aged white male with no college degree who is sick and ****ing tired of SJWs trying to censor Milo.
06-15-2017 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I know! And you wanna take civilian's guns away NOW? For the first time in my life, I'm thinking about buying a few.
Seems fine to let the population have guns to protect against the government. Just put them in a safe, preferably in the middle of town, with a "break in case of government tyranny" sign over it. Don't let them out unless it's to practice on the gun range.
06-15-2017 , 07:03 PM
Just here to lol @ dagger's source some more
06-15-2017 , 10:59 PM
Much of David Duke’s ’91 Campaign Is Now in Louisiana Mainstream
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/01/u...ef=theweek.com
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Stephanie Grace, a Louisiana political reporter and columnist for the past 20 years, first with The Times-Picayune in New Orleans and now The Advocate of Baton Rouge, recalled her first meeting with Mr. Scalise.

“He was explaining his politics and we were in this getting-to-know-each-other stage,” Ms. Grace said. “He told me he was like David Duke without the baggage. I think he meant he supported the same policy ideas as David Duke, but he wasn’t David Duke, that he didn’t have the same feelings about certain people as David Duke did.”

Mr. Scalise, his Washington staff and political consultant did not respond to emails, texts and phone calls over the past two days. Mr. Duke did not respond to an email sent through his website.
06-15-2017 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I think my stance is very reasonable. I believe in the right to bear arms. As to the degree to what extent, should depend on something. Obviously, I don't think people should be able to arm themselves with Napalm or MOABs, or hell fire missiles. So my gauge is our police forces. If a police officer is allowed to possess and use it, I think a citizen should. I don't see what's so unreasonable about that.
That's completely unreasonable. It almost doesn't even qualify as an attempt at a reason. There is no point shy of revolution to have some kind of fair fight standard between the people and the police and if it ever comes to a standoff like that and the police aren't sure they'll win, there will be military. Whose platform is outgunning the police? The bank robber platform? You win a quick fire fight and then disappear in the mall?

I have some pretty radical thoughts about the police. Few of them should even have guns. In a better world there would be no police and not because people would all behave perfectly, but because people would be responsible towards each other. This hasn't happened yet, but I understand there's thinking in the Democratic Confederation of Northern Syria along the lines of giving every single adult 6 weeks of police training and then disbanding the police force with the idea that communities will police themselves communally.

But, worst of all possible worlds is an arms race.
06-15-2017 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Military is already on Trump's side. Have you seen how much control he's given them over foreign policy? Have you seen any pushback from law enforcement or the executive branch over his private prisons or harmful deportation policies? Every major law enforcement union endorsed him and Jeff Sessions is the Attorney General who only cares about expanding mass incarceration as much as possible.
With mixed results imo, but the less direction Trump is giving the better. This is just my impression, but I think the police LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE Trump, but the military has mixed feelings.
06-16-2017 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Hmm. But you gotta admit if a dictatorship were ever to be attempted, it would be very convenient if no one had guns.
If a dictatorship comes id guess in the light of things it would come under the right. They are the ones who own the vast majority of guns and who are experienced using them and seem to like dear leaders.

Or its already convenient.
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You way under estimate the disruption a few thousand well armed people can cause.
Sure gorilla warfare can disrupt. Overthrow or stop the goverment drones, no.

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06-16-2017 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Lestat you know like, people know you're full of ****, right? Like nobody is thinking "holy cow this liberal has convincingly argued for the right wing position here, unlike his track record of being left wing, that must mean it's true"
It is not really important to me what you or others identify me as. I think for myself about each issue separately. More than a few times I've been convinced I was wrong and changed my position.

I'm not into your identity politics game. I see no reason why someone can't be pro choice yet believe in the right to bear arms. Or believe in LQBTQ rights, but also believe our country should have borders. I have little respect for people who fall in line where each side thinks they deserve a pat on the back for being righteous while anyone who disagrees with them on any level is a piece of **** human piece of garbage.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. It's this identity politics you insist on that has at worst, pushed mostly liberal people (people you need on your side) towards conservative politics, and at best turned them into independents, which is what I now consider myself.

For the record, I have much fiercer arguments in real life with hardcore conservatives. People who think HRC is an evil liar who has personally been involved in murdering 16 people. I also think she's a liar, but was also the most vetted and qualified candidate to ever run for president.

But yeah, you're right. While I used to consider myself a social liberal, I find myself disassociating with liberals because of people like you. I'm now an independent. Or perhaps an anarchist or nihilist. I'll have to look into it. But feel free NOT to call me a liberal anymore. At least not one like you, HRC, and the typical DNC think of as one.
06-16-2017 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
But, worst of all possible worlds is an arms race.
I'm not looking for an arms race with the police. I've suggested several times a deescalation of arms. So long as police can't overpower entire sections of cities.
06-16-2017 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
If a dictatorship comes id guess in the light of things it would come under the right. They are the ones who own the vast majority of guns and who are experienced using them and seem to like dear leaders.
I think you'd be surprised. You're falling for identity politics. If you're a Dem you must be pro choice and wouldn't dare own a gun, etc. This identity politics is what divided the country enough to get Trump. Think for yourself on each subject and don't just listen to people like Fly who want to identify everyone and make broad generalizations based on your stance on one subject. Hmm. Making broad generalizations about people and lumping them all in together. What other group does that again?
06-16-2017 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
I know it's hard but as someone who has convincingly bull****ted someone in my life I will give you this incredibly simple but apparently extremely hard to follow advice:
Tell me what women having control over their bodies has to do with gun ownership? Or what being for universal health care has to to do with believing a country is allowed to protect its borders.
06-16-2017 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I think you'd be surprised. You're falling for identity politics.
You are falling for right wing propaganda. Identity politics was invented by the right and has been deployed by them though our history.

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If you're a Dem you must be pro choice and wouldn't dare own a gun, etc. This identity politics is what divided the country enough to get Trump. Think for yourself on each subject and don't just listen to people like Fly who want to identify everyone and make broad generalizations based on your stance on one subject. Hmm. Making broad generalizations about people and lumping them all in together. What other group does that again?
You just did that. Im not a dem, am a gun owner, think Abortion should be legal but do have some moral qualms with it.
06-16-2017 , 01:09 AM
Also your post misses the point. Its not about dems arming themslefs or should they. Its about they are not armed right now and are not going to protect us form a dictator with their guns, which they dont have.

Best hope is whatever the Russians put in the water wears off.
06-16-2017 , 04:38 AM
Not sure if einbert told you guys this yet, but MLK was a Republican just fyi.
06-16-2017 , 04:49 AM
lol you think you're the first illiterate right winger to try and trot that out as a win for your team? MLK was a republican before the party adopted the southern strategy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

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Although the phrase "Southern strategy" is often attributed to Nixon's political strategist Kevin Phillips, he did not originate it[15] but popularized it.[16] In an interview included in a 1970 New York Times article, Phillips stated his analysis based on studies of ethnic voting:

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.[1]
idk why i respond in earnest since you're almost certainly just some dumbass racist troll, but here u go
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