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11-05-2008 , 10:12 AM
Not that anyone cares, but I would like to point out that once again, with Congressional approval ratings hovering near single digits, in the midst of a costly unpopular war, and an economic and financial crisis, something close to 95% of House incumbants retained their seats. And the ones who didn't were replaced by near identical clones annointed by the party machinery. While the carnage amongst incumbant Senate Republicans was more severe because you can't further gerrymander a state beyond the natural kind, the fallen were again replaced with near-identical party-annointed apparatchiks who agree with them on every issue of substance.

Our glorious new Dear Leader will assemble a foreign policy team of neo-cons from the likes of Dennis Ross, Robert Gates, Dick Lugar (you can't make a name like that up), and the lifelong Marxist Zbigniew Brzezinski (McCain 2000 and Obama 2008 FoPo advisor) and the Brzezinski Boys, one each who advised the obverse and the reverse of the ObaMcCain two-headed coin/serpent. Meaning the year to get out of Iraq that turned into the 1.5 years will turn into the 2 will turn into the 4, and the build-up in Afghanistan and the escalation into Pakistan and the encircling of Iran and the new bellicosity to Russia will continue.

He'll assemble an economic team from the likes of Nobel Laureate and retro-Keynesian economic ignoramus Paul Krugman. Meaning that the endless subsidization of failure will continue, along with gigantic new WPA-style boondoggles grafted onto the monster in a crazed Krumanian attempt to spend us into prosperity, which, when combined with tanking tax revenues from the Great Greenspan Depression, will cause deficits to explode.

So here's that thread that goofyballer wanted of libertarian predictions for an Obama presidency so that he can sneer and laugh at me in four years. If I believed in God I would pray to him that you could laugh your fool head off.
11-05-2008 , 10:28 AM
Can you make some concrete predictions please, Bush was a horrible president, but my life is much better than it was 8 years ago because I have an iphone etc.
11-05-2008 , 10:31 AM
You'll have a much better phone, so you needn't worry your pretty little head.
11-05-2008 , 10:41 AM
I thought you were being serious in the OP, ignore my first post.
11-05-2008 , 10:48 AM
I was being serious in both posts. Since the government is unlikely to nationalize Apple in the next 4 years, you'll have a much better phone. Another few hundred thousand Iraqis may be dead, disfigured or displaced, and millions more Americans may be out of work and struggling to make ends meet, and we all may be another 10 trillion dollars deeper in debt, but the relatively free market in cell phones will ensure that you have a much better phone, which is really all that matters.
11-05-2008 , 11:00 AM
Um, the cell phone market is not even close to free.

Carry on.
11-05-2008 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Borodog
I was being serious in both posts. Since the government is unlikely to nationalize Apple in the next 4 years, you'll have a much better phone. Another few hundred thousand Iraqis may be dead, disfigured or displaced, and millions more Americans may be out of work and struggling to make ends meet, and we all may be another 10 trillion dollars deeper in debt, but the relatively free market in cell phones will ensure that you have a much better phone, which is really all that matters.
QFsadtruth

Last edited by makemecool; 11-05-2008 at 11:05 AM. Reason: soon i will actually contribute...
11-05-2008 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Um, the cell phone market is not even close to free.
service provisioning isn't, but phone manufacture is. Relatively.
11-05-2008 , 11:18 AM
yeah, it will probably take a few years for the DemoTrifecto to run the cell-phone business out of the US. And then a few more years before there's adjustment to trade policies that tax the shiat out of foreign technology...but I digress.
11-05-2008 , 11:32 AM
Boro, although it's rhetorically easy to do so, not everyone who is not an isolationist is automatically a neocon. None of the people you mentioned are neocons which would be obvious after about 5 seconds of researching them.
11-05-2008 , 11:36 AM
We'll see to what extent our foreign policy changes.
11-05-2008 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Borodog
We'll see to what extent our foreign policy changes.
Now you're just moving the goal posts.
11-05-2008 , 11:39 AM
Boro please outline your ways of improving the country and fixing all the problems we have. Maybe we should vote for you since the job must be super simple to fix.
11-05-2008 , 11:40 AM
Id vote for Boro.
11-05-2008 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by shoxbb6
Now you're just moving the goal posts.
No, you've got a point. I used the wrong word. My bad, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Happy?

Now, we'll see how much our foreign policy changes.
11-05-2008 , 11:41 AM
Hurray for Democracy, I for one welcome our new black democratic overlord!!!

Obama National Anthem!!!
11-05-2008 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Borodog
No, you've got a point. I used the wrong word. My bad, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Happy?

Now, we'll see how much our foreign policy changes.
My fault, read too much into your reply.
11-05-2008 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by capone0
Boro please outline your ways of improving the country and fixing all the problems we have. Maybe we should vote for you since the job must be super simple to fix.
Haven't you figured it out yet man? He is an Anarchist. He doesn't want any government of any kind.
11-05-2008 , 11:55 AM
Boro I usually have mad respect for your opinion but srsly ZBrzez is about as far as you can get from a Marxist. At least when it comes to foreign policy.

And I really wonder why your only cite on Obama's possible economic policy held no advisory role in the campaign (or ANY political role EVER) rather than Austan Goolsbee or Larry Summers or Warren Buffett, all of whom are much more likely to hold a cabinet position. Wait, actually I think I figured it out. And since none of Obama's economic team are Mises-card-carrying market-fundamentalists I imagine they are all Marxists as well...
11-05-2008 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by capone0
Boro please outline your ways of improving the country and fixing all the problems we have. Maybe we should vote for you since the job must be super simple to fix.
Well, I would first declare a national emergency, invoke martial law, and suspend the constitution using the apparatus that the Congress and President Bush have prepared of late. Then I would:

End all foreign wars immediately, close 700 or so foreign military bases, end the occupations of Iraq, Afghanistan, Japan, South Korea, Europe, etc. Essentially, terminate the empire.

Order the suspension of the enforcement of all unconstitutional laws by Federal law enforcement agencies.

Halt the collection of taxes and terminate the paychecks of all federal government employees except those required to carry out my Diabolical Plan. They would be paid in gold from Fort Knox and public lands.

Authorize unilateral free trade. Hey, if Teddy Roosevelt can singlehandedly set trade policy, why can't I?

Blow up the Federal Reserve.

Return the rest of the people's gold.

Sell off government lands and other property.

Repudiate the Federal debt.

Abdicate.

</fantasy>
11-05-2008 , 12:02 PM
Also, it's ridiculous that people were saying "let [the State/Obama supporters] have their moment" to Boro last night. If the KKK were celebrating a fresh lynching, should we "let them have their moment" and wait to condemn them later?
11-05-2008 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by popeye18
Id vote for Boro.
i would NOT.
11-05-2008 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by crzylgs
Boro I usually have mad respect for your opinion but srsly ZBrzez is about as far as you can get from a Marxist. At least when it comes to foreign policy.
O RLY?

Alan Stang:

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In 1970, Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote a book entitled Between Two Ages: America’s Role in the Technetronic Era (New York, Viking Press). Let’s browse through it to find out what Zbigniew is. Zbig dedicates the book to Ian, Mark and Mika, his kids. A nice touch, don’t you think? He’s a family man. Starting on page 72 of my Penguin edition, he explains “why Marxism represents a further vital and creative stage in the maturing of man’s universal vision.”

Marxism is “a victory of reason over belief. . . . To a greater extent than any previous mode of political thinking, Marxism puts a premium on the systematic and rigorous examination of material reality and on guides to action derived from that examination.” In other words, Marxism is a better system than our own. Marxism examines material reality and recommends action better than does the U.S. Constitution.

Page 83: Marxism “represented a major advance in man’s ability to conceptualize his relationship to his world.” It carried “an essentially ethical message.” It “was derived from a totally rational method of inquiry.” P. 123: Marxism “provided a unique intellectual tool for understanding and harnessing the fundamental forces of our time. . . . [I]t supplied the best available insight into contemporary reality; it infused political action with strong ethical elements . . . .”

. . .

Zbig Brother even excuses Stalin’s purges and mass murders. Page 134ff: “Yet though Stalinism may have been a needless tragedy for both the Russian people and communism as an ideal, there is the intellectually tantalizing possibility that for the world at large it was, as we shall see, a blessing in disguise. . . .” What? Yes. You see, “the internal violence employed by Stalin . . . had a restraining effect on unbridled nationalism.”

But isn’t Zbig today fanatically opposed to the continuing Soviet Union? Yes, he is, but not because he opposes Marxism. As we have seen, he is a lifelong Marxist. He opposes the Soviets precisely because he loves Marxism so much. He believes the Communists have misused it. He believes that he, Zbigniew Brzezinski, could impose it correctly, the way old Karl himself would have done it.
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And I really wonder why your only cite on Obama's possible economic policy held no advisory role in the campaign (or ANY political role EVER) rather than Austan Goolsbee or Larry Summers or Warren Buffett, all of whom are much more likely to hold a cabinet position. Wait, actually I think I figured it out. And since none of Obama's economic team are Mises-card-carrying market-fundamentalists I imagine they are all Marxists as well...
Austan Goolsbee, Larry Summers and Warren Buffett will all be for the spending our way into prosperity plan, and if not, they will not be a part of the team. Did you not pay attention to the last X months? Do you think that Obama is lying about all the new spending, the new taxes, his support of trillions in bailouts for every failing company large enough to have funneled him a few million in campaign comps, the kowtowing to AIPAC, the expansion of the military industrial complex and the creation of a vast new "civillian" national security force that is just as well funded as the current military one, the expansion of the welfare entitlement state, and on and on and on?
11-05-2008 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Borodog
... suspend the constitution ...

Order the suspension of the enforcement of all unconstitutional laws by Federal law enforcement agencies.
wat
11-05-2008 , 01:35 PM
[QUOTE=Borodog;6966304]O RLY?

Alan Stang:


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This is where you lost pretty much all credibility.

      
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