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Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN

05-09-2015 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by sweep single
Some lady called the cops because she saw 4 scary blacks, you think it's unreasonable for the 911 operator to tell her "No laws are being broken. No one is injured, goodbye."

No much better idea to send the cops to point guns at them .
What should happen?

I assume if I called the police this minute they would ask what the problem was and be fairly reluctant to dispatch someone if my answers indicated there was no valid reason for the call. Or should police have to attend all calls with the only job of the dispatchers being to decide the order.

Nothing to do with police conduct though is it?
05-09-2015 , 11:24 PM
It depends a lot. Most of the time cops aren't busy and you can get them to come for just about anything. They come for barking dogs and stuff like that. Someone called on us once because of like 20 minutes of barking one time when someone was fixing our heater and we had to deal with them and lock the dog out.

Cops came to one of my job sites because someone called and said there were two black guys on a roof.
The person who called was obviously a SOB, but the police still come and the caller should not be legally punished unless they are intentionally lying about something.
05-09-2015 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Oh I see now. Yeah, it turns out your plan is genius after all.


Until the 911 dispatcher tells someone "No laws are being broken. No one is injured, goodbye," and then that person winds up murdered.


If dispatching the cops is a greater risk to the populace than the suspicious people they were called about, then that's a failure of the cops.
So someone minding their own business, not breaking any laws, doing no harm to anyone can be stopped, identified, questioned, searched and ran for warrants because a citizen thinks they look suspicious, they might be a murderer? Nice. See something say something.
05-09-2015 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Strange question and an unclear question at the same time. You could mean do I think all police officers are racist before they are hired. The obvious answer is no. You could mean do I think some are and the obvious answer is yes.
Nothing is strange about it.

Let's put forward a racist scenario. Let's assume a white guy is racist, you hate black people. You aspire to be a police officer in a metropolitan area, where you are guaranteed to interact with black people?

How about black cops who are particularly brutal towards other black people?

Stop and think before you respond.
05-09-2015 , 11:30 PM
I'm sure there's some boy who cries wolf on people who call the cops a lot in smaller cities anyway.
05-09-2015 , 11:34 PM
Yes couldn't agree more that there should be no punishment just for calling.

In practice it depends on how busy they are and priorities but not sure we shouldn't be ok with not responding if the reasons for the call are clearly invalid.
05-09-2015 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sweep single
So someone minding their own business, not breaking any laws, doing no harm to anyone can be stopped, identified, questioned, searched and ran for warrants because a citizen thinks they look suspicious, they might be a murderer? Nice. See something say something.
Uh, yes. With a functioning police force, this isn't a problem. There are already protections in place to punish people who deliberately lie to dispatchers or cops. I have no interest in expecting 911 callers to be competent. Making up for the inadequacies of 911 callers is the job of police.
05-10-2015 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Uh, yes. With a functioning police force, this isn't a problem. There are already protections in place to punish people who deliberately lie to dispatchers or cops. I have no interest in expecting 911 callers to be competent. Making up for the inadequacies of 911 callers is the job of police.
lol. I've been reading your posts for something like 3-5 years now.

This is the worst one you've ever made. If you think anything that you just said is anywhere near true, you might be the biggest fool on the planet. Name one, JUST ONE, instance where a person who has ever called in to 911 reporting a suspicious person has ever been punished?

You can be punished for calling 911 and complaining about your french fries, or for rescuing a cat out of a tree, but I don't think anyone in the history of reporting a suspicious person has ever faced any consequences. I've never heard of it, I've never read about it. Ever. And I know I never will.
05-10-2015 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by sweep single
So someone minding their own business, not breaking any laws, doing no harm to anyone can be stopped, identified, questioned, searched and ran for warrants because a citizen thinks they look suspicious, they might be a murderer? Nice. See something say something.
Um... yes?

You live in America, right? You know how calling 911 works?
05-10-2015 , 12:58 AM
Pretty sure lying to a 911 dispatch is a crime that you can in theory get charged for:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...p-finding-keys

Probably 99% of the time they don't really care enough to charge you, but there's certainly a mechanism in place to punish people who egregiously abuse the system.
05-10-2015 , 01:54 AM
lol @ 99%.

wtf is wrong with you people. Do you guys live in the real world?
05-10-2015 , 06:36 AM
The US cops need to understand that the shield is a fictional programme and every interaction doesn't have to be max intensity with a view to instant escalation. Nor should it he a test of wills staredown with the civilian needing to show respect and deference at any cost.

Last edited by tomdemaine; 05-10-2015 at 06:48 AM.
05-10-2015 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
You can be punished for calling 911 and complaining about your french fries, or for rescuing a cat out of a tree, but I don't think anyone in the history of reporting a suspicious person has ever faced any consequences. I've never heard of it, I've never read about it. Ever. And I know I never will.
You still can't read, can you? I mean you are functionally literate, but you just replace whatever somebody says with what you want to argue about. Wookie didn't say anything about someone being punished for "reporting a suspicious person." Now if someone lied about a suspicious person, they could in theory be punished because people do get punished for lying to 911, but how the hell are you going to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone was lying about a suspicious person?

So, yeah, you totally won the argument no one else is having, which makes you like 79-0 in wil's fantasy league.
05-10-2015 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Now if someone lied about a suspicious person, they could in theory be punished because people do get punished for lying to 911, but how the hell are you going to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone was lying about a suspicious person?
we're off the tracks but it would more likely be the person called about bringing a case under a lower standard of proof.

That seems a far more suitable redress unless it's an highly extraordinary case.
05-10-2015 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
lol. I've been reading your posts for something like 3-5 years now.

This is the worst one you've ever made. If you think anything that you just said is anywhere near true, you might be the biggest fool on the planet. Name one, JUST ONE, instance where a person who has ever called in to 911 reporting a suspicious person has ever been punished?

You can be punished for calling 911 and complaining about your french fries, or for rescuing a cat out of a tree, but I don't think anyone in the history of reporting a suspicious person has ever faced any consequences. I've never heard of it, I've never read about it. Ever. And I know I never will.
How about you try ignoring your hate boner for just a minute while you read the actual conversation.
05-10-2015 , 12:24 PM
Profiles of the officers charged in Baltimore. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/05/10...html?referrer=
05-10-2015 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
How about you try ignoring your hate boner for just a minute while you read the actual conversation.
I don't have a "hate boner" for you, in fact I couldn't care less. You're a random dude on the internet.
05-10-2015 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
The whole point of police is that they investigate potentially dangerous situations so that hoi polloi don't have to. Bringing a civil suit against some idiot because the professionals catastrophically failed at their duties is not only blaming the wrong party but also leads to underreporting of crimes and senseless endangerment of citizens as they try to investigate potentially life-threatening situations further prior to calling the cops lest they get sued.
Right but aggressively shaming them leads to people minding their own ****ing business and shutting the **** up a lot more often.

Or at least thats how I understand things from the internet
05-10-2015 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by vhawk01
Thoughts on the old lady who reported a "suspicious black man roaming the neighborhood" which turned out to be some emaciated 78 year old Indian dude who was paralyzed when the cops attacked him? You think this lady is a model citizen?

Charges or sued, no, castigated by all polite society and mocked every single day for the rest of her pathetic life, yes. Thats my take. If you dont consider "there is a chance the cops will kill someone" when you call 911 to report something like that, in 2015, you arent paying attention. Cf. the Law and Order thread where a dad got his son killed.
lol vhawk.....Polite society should also castigate and mock people who advocate criminal charges and lawsuits for results orientated based terrible police work after incorrectly calling the cops. Wookie was correct to call out someone who did.
05-10-2015 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I don't have a "hate boner" for you, in fact I couldn't care less. You're a random dude on the internet.
lol wil doing what he does best, straight lying through his teeth as if almost everybody itt isn't smarter than he is
05-10-2015 , 06:14 PM
like bro, you need to accept the fact that we all know how to read
05-10-2015 , 09:04 PM
Prince is doing a benefit concert in Baltimore tonight and streaming it live on Tidal fo free. Started like 5 mins ago and it's pretty awesome.

Link
05-10-2015 , 10:23 PM
hes back to officially being prince again, right?
05-10-2015 , 10:26 PM
For quite awhile now.
05-10-2015 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies
Prince is doing a benefit concert in Baltimore tonight and streaming it live on Tidal fo free. Started like 5 mins ago and it's pretty awesome.

Link
+1 it is amazing.

      
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