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05-08-2015 , 07:29 PM
Huh?

Then what hurts the tourist trade?

They chase away short haired white men with their shirts tucked in so they don't block the view of the hippies and homeless?
05-08-2015 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by neg3sd
Even white males raised in below-median income families in Baltimore do poorly.
Have you actually ever been to Baltimore? It's an absolute dump. Even the nice parts are awful. I remember walking through an area and asking some co-workers "where is the nice part of this city?" and they replied "you're in it".

I was offered a nice raise and a relo package including buying my house outright to move to Baltimore, but after being there a few times for work the thought of moving to that city made me ill, we declined. Mind you, I live in Philadelphia, which isn't exactly Paris.

Yeah, Baltimore is pretty crappy.
05-08-2015 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by neg3sd
The United States of America started with a laissez faire approach. Today's politicians want more control.
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Originally Posted by neg3sd
It's very simple, San Francisco protects the tourist trade. If you hurt the tourists trade, the cops will force you to leave the area.
Unbe****inglievable.
05-08-2015 , 11:03 PM
If the negros scare tourists away, the cops force them to relocate! Small government conservatism!
05-08-2015 , 11:24 PM
Ain't no black dudes in San Fran.
05-08-2015 , 11:33 PM
yeah but when these charges get dropped they gunna burn it down
way over stepped them charges
05-09-2015 , 12:01 AM
Lesser includeds?
05-09-2015 , 08:50 AM
Just another example du jour that racism is a real problem in American law enforcement, and not liberal fantasy.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/08/us/san...xts/index.html

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In another text, Furminger exchanged text messages with another San Franscisco police officer about a black man married to a friend of his wife. The couple was visiting their home at the time.

"Get ur pocket gun. Keep it available in case the monkey returns to his roots," the unnamed police officer texted Furminger, according to the government motion. "Its [sic] not against the law to put an animal down."

"Well said!" the government says Furminger replied.

Furminger also allegedly called another officer a "f-g," called a black officer a "f-----n n----r," according to CNN affiliate KPIX, and made derogatory comments about Mexicans and Filipinos.
Probably just taken out of context, right?
05-09-2015 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ctyri
Just another example du jour that racism is a real problem in American law enforcement, and not liberal fantasy.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/08/us/san...xts/index.html



Probably just taken out of context, right?

Identifying a problem doesn't move the ball that much. Racists should not be on police forces. There is ample evidence that there are racist police. How can that problem be fixed? I'll throw out a few ideas which I am not claiming to be a complete set:

-- Identify the goal IE what constitutes success. Expecting perfection is silly. Part of this is assessing how bad the problem is. Just stating there is a problem says very little

-- Better screening of candidates. Some police forces actually use lie detectors to screen for racism. Perhaps a uniform set of guidelines promoted by the Feds. Doing that has its so own set of issues but I would think effective leadership from the executive branch of govt would make a difference. Of course there are a lot ideas, studies, services etc already so apparently they aren't that effective. Why not?

-- Better diversity hiring practices. See the above regarding better screening.

-- Better diversity training. Again see the above.
05-09-2015 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
If the negros scare tourists away, the cops force them to relocate! Small government conservatism!
Not true. Black street entertainer stopped his own performance when he was gathering too big a crowd. He told the spectators not to block the sidewalks. The cops don't bother him. He's been there for years.
If you beg the tourists for small change, the cops will force you to leave.
05-09-2015 , 09:50 AM
This article on Deadspin with video was pretty unbelievable. Guy gets shot in plain sight and no charges ever brought.


http://gawker.com/the-subway-slaying...65926/+barryap
05-09-2015 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ctyri
Just another example du jour that racism is a real problem in American law enforcement, and not liberal fantasy.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/08/us/san...xts/index.html



Probably just taken out of context, right?
Another article on this:

http://www.vox.com/2015/5/8/8573497/...-police-racism

Although I heard the police didn't beat this one Asian guy, so everything's probably okay.
05-09-2015 , 10:54 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/06/us...lice-officers/

pretty ridiculous, hope they win their suit
05-09-2015 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/06/us...lice-officers/

pretty ridiculous, hope they win their suit
Alot of situations are created by people calling 911 when no laws have been broken. The person who called 911 should be getting sued and charged.
05-09-2015 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sweep single
Alot of situations are created by people calling 911 when no laws have been broken. The person who called 911 should be getting sued and charged.
You should be embarrassed by this post. Think it through just a little.
05-09-2015 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by sweep single
Alot of situations are created by people calling 911 when no laws have been broken. The person who called 911 should be getting sued and charged.
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
You should be embarrassed by this post. Think it through just a little.
So true:

Spoiler:
05-09-2015 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
You should be embarrassed by this post. Think it through just a little.
Thoughts on the old lady who reported a "suspicious black man roaming the neighborhood" which turned out to be some emaciated 78 year old Indian dude who was paralyzed when the cops attacked him? You think this lady is a model citizen?

Charges or sued, no, castigated by all polite society and mocked every single day for the rest of her pathetic life, yes. Thats my take. If you dont consider "there is a chance the cops will kill someone" when you call 911 to report something like that, in 2015, you arent paying attention. Cf. the Law and Order thread where a dad got his son killed.
05-09-2015 , 06:29 PM
The whole point of police is that they investigate potentially dangerous situations so that hoi polloi don't have to. Bringing a civil suit against some idiot because the professionals catastrophically failed at their duties is not only blaming the wrong party but also leads to underreporting of crimes and senseless endangerment of citizens as they try to investigate potentially life-threatening situations further prior to calling the cops lest they get sued.
05-09-2015 , 06:37 PM
Wookie on point

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05-09-2015 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Identifying a problem doesn't move the ball that much. Racists should not be on police forces. There is ample evidence that there are racist police. How can that problem be fixed? I'll throw out a few ideas which I am not claiming to be a complete set:

-- Identify the goal IE what constitutes success. Expecting perfection is silly. Part of this is assessing how bad the problem is. Just stating there is a problem says very little

-- Better screening of candidates. Some police forces actually use lie detectors to screen for racism. Perhaps a uniform set of guidelines promoted by the Feds. Doing that has its so own set of issues but I would think effective leadership from the executive branch of govt would make a difference. Of course there are a lot ideas, studies, services etc already so apparently they aren't that effective. Why not?

-- Better diversity hiring practices. See the above regarding better screening.

-- Better diversity training. Again see the above.
Wait a second, I just want to be clear on something. Are you saying that you think police officers are racist *before* they are hired?
05-09-2015 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by vhawk01
Thoughts on the old lady who reported a "suspicious black man roaming the neighborhood" which turned out to be some emaciated 78 year old Indian dude who was paralyzed when the cops attacked him? You think this lady is a model citizen?

Charges or sued, no, castigated by all polite society and mocked every single day for the rest of her pathetic life, yes. Thats my take. If you dont consider "there is a chance the cops will kill someone" when you call 911 to report something like that, in 2015, you arent paying attention. Cf. the Law and Order thread where a dad got his son killed.
I know I'd much rather live in a neighbourhood where that woman is looking out for me and mine than one "protected" by someone like Zimmerman.

Stopping cops being terrible should be the focus, the idea that calling the cops should be a pro con list where an innocent possibly gets shot is ridiculous, and it's not being solved by people not calling cops.
05-09-2015 , 08:10 PM
You guys have jumped the shark. If I called the cops on you for something absurd, you'd be pissed as hell. That's all vhawk says.
05-09-2015 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Wait a second, I just want to be clear on something. Are you saying that you think police officers are racist *before* they are hired?
Strange question and an unclear question at the same time. You could mean do I think all police officers are racist before they are hired. The obvious answer is no. You could mean do I think some are and the obvious answer is yes.
05-09-2015 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
You should be embarrassed by this post. Think it through just a little.
Some lady called the cops because she saw 4 scary blacks, you think it's unreasonable for the 911 operator to tell her "No laws are being broken. No one is injured, goodbye."

No much better idea to send the cops to point guns at them .
05-09-2015 , 10:55 PM
Oh I see now. Yeah, it turns out your plan is genius after all.


Until the 911 dispatcher tells someone "No laws are being broken. No one is injured, goodbye," and then that person winds up murdered.


If dispatching the cops is a greater risk to the populace than the suspicious people they were called about, then that's a failure of the cops.

      
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