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So the rioter's legitimate grievances suddenly become not legitimate and not worth attention because they rioted before you thought was an appropriate length of time?

A rioter has no legitimate grievances when they do not try other mechanisms first.

05-01-2015 , 02:20 PM

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SenorKeeed

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Originally Posted by braves2017

A rioter has no legitimate grievances.

Why not?

05-01-2015 , 02:20 PM

#1678

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I, for one, will wait until the convictions for rioting. Until then we need to #waitforallthefacts

05-01-2015 , 02:21 PM

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Here's an unexpected take from a guy who I only know from his economics (on which he's very knowledgeable):

http://www.interfluidity.com/v2/5911.html

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Even if it is possible that events like rioting can do some good, surely there are better ways? Yes, surely there are. Why haven’t they happened? If you feel entitled to tut-tut the rioters, I hope you have organized against police brutality, marched all peacefully like the GandhiMartinLutherJesus you manufacture to condemn the very people whose cause those idols championed. Have you borne costs to engage politically to ensure economic security and social inclusion for all? You have you say? Well good for you, though I don’t believe you and it doesn’t matter because this isn’t about you. As a society, we have not done these things. On the contrary, we have done the opposite, we have in practical terms increased the distance between the kind of people who lobby congress or write articles and the kind of people who are forcing the Orioles to play for empty bleachers. In theory, a peaceful political process is absolutely the right way to solve the problems of brutality and exclusion. In practice, it hasn’t happened, it isn’t happening, there is no sign that it will happen. Blame the ****ing victims for not producing a Dalai Lama if you want, it doesn’t matter, they don’t have one, at least not one likely to be effective, and even if they did, the limited success of the real Martin Luther Kings of the world may have had something to do with the threat of riot and rebellion, with the horde of angry sinners barely held back by those saints whom we bugged and harassed in actual practice.

Well worth reading.

Also, Marilyn Mosby is basically a superhero right now.

Edit: Unexpected (to me) because I never guessed that he'd write about political/personal stuff. Not unexpected that he'd have this view.

05-01-2015 , 02:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

Why not?

I ninja edited.

05-01-2015 , 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by braves2017

Check the voting records for Baltimore. Silent is right. When you do not vote en masse and then want to riot en masse....the problem is on your side, when you want to express outrage.

Sometimes rioting is more effective than choosing between two ignorant corrupt *******s.

05-01-2015 , 02:22 PM

#1682

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Quote:

Originally Posted by braves2017

A rioter has no legitimate grievances when they do not try other mechanisms first.

Why not?

05-01-2015 , 02:24 PM

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It'd be totally reasonable to want vigilante mob justice against any cop in this case who is found not guilty.

05-01-2015 , 02:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

Why not?

Think hard. I'm not answering questions a third grader could come up with correct answers for.

05-01-2015 , 02:25 PM

#1685

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Eyewitness describes Freddie Gray's arrest

cynical prediction:

The "rough ride" talk is a red herring. He broke his neck during the police take down. Laywers fail to show that police acted outside of the law. A few wrist slaps for not buckling him in, not getting him immediate medical attention etc. There won't be any more riots because the government is getting increasingly adept at handling the fall out of these types of things.

05-01-2015 , 02:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spidercrab

Also, Marilyn Mosby is basically a superhero right now.

And pretty hot, also.

05-01-2015 , 02:26 PM

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05-01-2015 , 02:27 PM

#1688

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Quote:

Originally Posted by braves2017

Think hard. I'm not answering questions a third grader could come up with correct answers for.

Ok sounds good

05-01-2015 , 02:28 PM

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braves having to go back and ninja edit every hot take that he's transcribing directly from brain -> internet is amazing

05-01-2015 , 02:30 PM

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Her remarks seemed incredibly thorough and balanced to me. She seems like an incredible asset to that city. Hopefully, justice will be done.

05-01-2015 , 02:31 PM

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A person can be a rioter who thinks they are protesting or a protester that starts rioting.

05-01-2015 , 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

Ok sounds good

When you lose your professionalism, you lose all credibility. It's not hard.

05-01-2015 , 02:34 PM

#1693

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Originally Posted by braves2017

When you lose your professionalism, you lose all credibility. It's not hard.

Is this addressed to me? I am not actually a professional internet poaster by trade.

05-01-2015 , 02:34 PM

#1694

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Why are they throwing their own tea into the harbor!

-braves1773

05-01-2015 , 02:35 PM

#1695

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Or is it addressed to the Baltimore protesters? Who, again, are not professional protesters.

05-01-2015 , 02:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianNit

It'd be totally reasonable to want vigilante mob justice against any cop in this case who is found not guilty.

lol

05-01-2015 , 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies

Why are they throwing their own tea into the harbor!

-braves1773

Lets not get too crazy.

Be careful to avoid conflating riot behavior with civil disobedience. There are educated ways to practice civil disobedience. People can riot for reasons other than to protest.

05-01-2015 , 02:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies

Why are they throwing their own tea into the harbor!

-braves1773

Problem is, the people of Baltimore could care less who is representing them, your analogy kind of sucks. Of course, that is par for the course for you.

05-01-2015 , 02:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

Or is it addressed to the Baltimore protesters? Who, again, are not professional protesters.

Again with a false narrative that conflates protesters with rioters. Do you people even care that your lies have become pathological? Can't make an argument so you lie.