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Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN

09-08-2018 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by pyatnitski
So the situation is a cop calls in after shooting someone in cold blood on their doorstep having first demanded entry as a police officer. No mitigating circumstances apart from a story about thinking the apartment is their own when it definitely isn't.

I know I'm just stating the obvious, but this one is blowing my mind even harder than usual. She could have straight up executed the guy, waited around and then given an excuse that's insultingly dumb/lazy and still wouldn't have been arrested. Her department then spends the first day of the 'investigation' allowing her to chill whilst concocting a press statement that tries to sugar coat it (which they don't have the decency to put out honestly). F*** me.
The banality of evil aspect of shoot first think later is scarier here than cops being able to get away with planning and executing a murder. She's a cop. He was a Black man. It doesn't take much after that.
09-08-2018 , 12:53 PM
Everybody is allowed to kill black guys, except other black guys.
09-08-2018 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
In general, you aren't, but she's a cop and the victim is a black guy so she'll just say she was afraid for or life or some bull****.
Well, you can probably almost always shoot an actual intruder (unless it's a cop), but only cops will be given the kid glove treatment if they are the intruder and they shoot the resident.
09-08-2018 , 12:59 PM
She really should be given no special consideration for being a cop here. She was not doing police work. And she didn't just shoot him because she had a gun. She shot him because she's a cop and has internalized the idea that shooting someone with very little thought is a valid reaction.
09-08-2018 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
why are you allowed to kill intruders (I know they weren't an intruder) in the USA?
Just cuz. We also have laws that allow us to shoot people who criticize our laws.
09-08-2018 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
The banality of evil aspect of shoot first think later is scarier here than cops being able to get away with planning and executing a murder. She's a cop. He was a Black man. It doesn't take much after that.
Yes, a moment's reflection says you're unfortunately correct.
09-08-2018 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by pyatnitski
She could have straight up executed the guy...
Could have, but my money is on intoxicated.
09-08-2018 , 01:13 PM
My money is on just being quick to shoot. She supposedly just got off on the wrong floor and went to where her door would have been. It's not an everyday mistake, but you don't have to be drunk to do it.
09-08-2018 , 01:20 PM
I truly cannot wrap my brain around this one. It is far too sad and infuriating.

More evidence, as if we needed any more, of many cops' attitude toward minorities and use of force.

I hope that people higher in the food chain than this one cop get fired.
09-08-2018 , 01:21 PM
This one is such a ****ing slam dunk. No bull**** story about why she had to do it, he had robbed a convenience store 2 hours earlier, somebody said he had a gun blah blah blah. None of that. Just straight-up murder. If they just immediately treated her like any other person who just up and shoots somebody dead, they could say "See? We don't think we're above the law!" and continue gunning down less obviously innocent people. But they can't even ****ing do that, because she's a cop and he isn't. I mean, he wasn't, before she ****ing killed him.
09-08-2018 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
My money is on just being quick to shoot. She supposedly just got off on the wrong floor and went to where her door would have been. It's not an everyday mistake, but you don't have to be drunk to do it.
Sure, but we still need to connect the dots from "there's someone in my apartment" to "bang!"
09-08-2018 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by John21
Sure, but we still need to connect the dots from "there's someone in my apartment" to "bang!"
Try to keep up, we already connected the dots, the dude was black
09-08-2018 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by John21
Sure, but we still need to connect the dots from "there's someone in my apartment" to "bang!"
Yeah, but that's just America + cop + Black man in my apartment = Don't stop and think! That's how cops get hurt!
09-08-2018 , 03:30 PM
was the door unlocked or something?
09-08-2018 , 04:41 PM
I need to see how similar the apartment units are to each other before making any conclusions.
09-08-2018 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by El Rata
was the door unlocked or something?
The story is she was putting her key in and trying to make it work, he heard it and opened the door. I guess that is an argument for intoxication depending on how long she was fumbling at the lock.
09-08-2018 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by El Rata
was the door unlocked or something?
Not in either version of the story. Her key wasn't working on the lock that wasn't hers. The resident opened the door.

I don't live in an apartment, but whenever I'm staying at a hotel and I walk to the wrong room, when the key doesn't work I know my first assumption is that someone broke into my room and changed the lock!
09-08-2018 , 05:12 PM
In a hotel the story about going to the wrong door and not realising works, but not in an apartment building in which you actually live. I live in one where every floor and door is 'identical' - the communal areas, including the front doors, are kept up by the building committee and painted identically and you're not allowed to do it yourself, there are no numbers on them. The whole space was renewed a few months back so it's as uniform as it could be and yet I still recognise my own front door easily. There will be loads of slight differences in any building that if you stare at the space every day will be second nature to you. She must have been hammered if this at all went down like she said.
09-08-2018 , 05:52 PM
There are pictures going around that are supposed to be of the police officer and her family. I don't think her name has been officially confirmed so I'm not going to repost it.

In one, her (what looks like her) mother is wearing an ALL LIVES MATTER t-shirt. In one of the other ones, another member of her family or close friend (he is in several pictures) is tossing up a hand signal we've become familiar with in the last few days.
09-08-2018 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 3fiveofdiamonds
There are pictures going around that are supposed to be of the police officer and her family. I don't think her name has been officially confirmed so I'm not going to repost it.

In one, her (what looks like her) mother is wearing an ALL LIVES MATTER t-shirt. In one of the other ones, another member of her family or close friend (he is in several pictures) is tossing up a hand signal we've become familiar with in the last few days.
Lots of stuff out there on less-reliable news sources, including video of the shooter on the phone, weeping and pacing, before they wheel the body out. She doesn't look blackout drunk to me. And this person, who just shot a completely 100% innocent person, is walking around talking on the phone, unaccompanied.

Still not in custody, by the way. And yeah, not named by the police. I read it's their policy to give officers 48 hours after they shoot someone before they release their name. That's so they can scrub their social media, let their family know what's going on, etc. Isn't that nice? Very accommodating. Apparently extends to when cops murder somebody on their own time, since she wasn't on duty when this happened.

Also saw lots of nice quotes about how this is a very unique situation, and she has been a great officer, and she feels terrible, and has the support of the police department.

I'm angrier at the system that produces cops like this and the society that abides it than I am at the individual.
09-08-2018 , 07:36 PM
If it was after a long shift and she was exhausted it is plausible she made the mistake and went to the wrong door and wasn't thinking about why the key wasn't working. I would sure like to know if the guy in the apt said anything before opening the door though and she still needs to go away and never carry a gun for her job again.

Curious why she would offer blood samples though.
09-08-2018 , 07:43 PM
o/u on actually jail time that ends up being served by the murderer (not actual sentence). I'd set the line at 3 yrs. Probably still take the under. Really ought to be 10 fold more.
09-08-2018 , 10:05 PM
This is beyond outrageous.

From here:

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As Dallas Police Chief Renee Hall said during yesterday’s news conference, she made the decision on Friday morning based on the evidence gathered up to that point to seek a warrant for manslaughter.

The Texas Rangers were requested to conduct the investigation to eliminate the appearance of any potential bias.

When the Rangers arrived, the investigation was turned over to them and they made the decision to postpone pursuing a warrant, until they could follow up on information that they received from the interview with the officer.

The Texas Rangers will take the appropriate time to review the vast amount of evidence and information secured by Dallas Police Department investigators. This will allow them to be thorough in their decision as to how to move forward.

“On behalf of the Dallas Police Department, we are continuing to pray for Mr. Jean’s family,” said Chief Hall, “and ask that the community remain patient as this investigation is conducted.
And she has been officially identified. Her name is Amber Guyger.
09-08-2018 , 10:32 PM
What a ****ed up country.





09-08-2018 , 11:19 PM
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