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Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN

12-09-2017 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JimHammer
This guy was just itching to blow someone away.
it's so sad for the victim and his family that this cop was found not guilty. I hope that thee are federal charges brought against this pos that was just waiting for the chance to "legally" kill someone.
12-09-2017 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by estefaniocurry
This is completely unprofessional in and of itself. In any sane, healthy environment it would be cause for immediately firing the guy that he has "you're ****ed" written on his gun. His supervisors should also be fired for allowing it.

It was his personal weapon that the department allowed him to use.

He was fired for that inscription.
12-09-2017 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
People really need to internalize what all these acquittals say not only about police, but about juries in these places. You're rarely seeing hung juries; they're straight acquittals. These people are absolutely despicable, full stop.
I bet a lot of this has to do with jury selection. Defense attorneys know who to pick to get an acquittal. And I doubt prosecutors go very hard against police defendants.
12-09-2017 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JimHammer
I bet a lot of this has to do with jury selection. Defense attorneys know who to pick to get an acquittal. And I doubt prosecutors go very hard against police defendants.

I agree with your sentiment. You going against one of your own. And this case was done to appease the public. We don’t convict policemen of murder on the job, especially when going out on a call that a “maniac is pointing a rifle out of a hotel window.”

We demand tough on crime policing. And then when it occasionally goes haywire, like in this case, we can’t believe these are the people we have protecting us.

Prosecuting this guy was a waste of resources. It wasn’t like there was one juror holdout. Or discussions that even made it an entire day. I bet most of the jury deliberations consisted of an agreement not to talk to the press.

They could have run a jury in a “law and order” town as many times as they wanted. Score is always going to be same. 12-0.
12-09-2017 , 05:39 PM
Golfnutt I've been kind of indifferent about you up to now. But now I wish you'd just stfu and remove yourself from this forum.
12-09-2017 , 05:47 PM
It was a waste of resources trying to convict a murdere? That’s an interesting, albeit dumb as ****, take
12-09-2017 , 06:30 PM
You did recognize that the guy playing Simon says, with cross your legs, keep hands in the air, fall on your face, etc. was not the shooter.

Don’t you think the cop that was barking all those orders had some part to play in this fiasco?
12-09-2017 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Is the safest play if you're ever in that situation to just lay on the floor, hands out, and not move no matter what they tell you? Following their instructions to move towards them or whatever seems like a death wish. They might yell at you for not listening to them but it at least seems harder to justify shooting you if you aren't moving.
I've thought for a while now that if I was a minority and pulled over, I'd probably put my hands out the window before the cops approached and request that I be handcuffed for everyone's safety. They'd probably shoot me for making a suspicious request.

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Originally Posted by estefaniocurry
This is completely unprofessional in and of itself. In any sane, healthy environment it would be cause for immediately firing the guy that he has "you're ****ed" written on his gun. His supervisors should also be fired for allowing it.
Firing? How about charging? Him and his supervisors who allowed it. The people who support this bull**** are the same ones who are furious about that "**** Trump," decal on the truck in Texas because of the offensive language... But a cop, a role model, can have "YOU'RE ****ED" on his gun? Come on.

He was looking for a chance the day he had that etched on his gun, and he finally got it.
12-09-2017 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by OneEyedPoker
It was a waste of resources trying to convict a murdere? That’s an interesting, albeit dumb as ****, take

We don’t convict cops in this country on the job. Cops kill people all the time.

Number of policeman in entire country convicted of murder
In 2014: zero
In 2015: zero

You aren’t getting a conviction when it involves a response to a suspect pointing a rifle outside a window.

The officer wasn’t even that surprised when the verdict was read. The jury was out of there so quickly that he knew it was acquittal.

Why try a case that you know you are going to lose?
12-09-2017 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Is the safest play if you're ever in that situation to just lay on the floor, hands out, and not move no matter what they tell you? Following their instructions to move towards them or whatever seems like a death wish. They might yell at you for not listening to them but it at least seems harder to justify shooting you if you aren't moving.
100% safest play imo, especially with the cams
12-09-2017 , 07:00 PM
Just wanna point out that golfnutt is a known troll. He has been contained in OOT.
12-09-2017 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
We don’t convict cops in this country on the job. Cops kill people all the time.

Number of policeman in entire country convicted of murder
In 2014: zero
In 2015: zero

You aren’t getting a conviction when it involves a response to a suspect pointing a rifle outside a window.

The officer wasn’t even that surprised when the verdict was read. The jury was out of there so quickly that he knew it was acquittal.

Why try a case that you know you are going to lose?
Morality? An interest in justice? Just say what you think bro. Vic deserved to die, shoulda listened better.
12-09-2017 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sumey
100% safest play imo, especially with the cams
Edit: on second thoughts they'd probably jump on your back, scream that you're resisting and pop one anyway. It's so ****ed up it's depressing.
12-09-2017 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
We don’t convict cops in this country on the job. Cops kill people all the time.

Number of policeman in entire country convicted of murder
In 2014: zero
In 2015: zero

You aren’t getting a conviction when it involves a response to a suspect pointing a rifle outside a window.

The officer wasn’t even that surprised when the verdict was read. The jury was out of there so quickly that he knew it was acquittal.

Why try a case that you know you are going to lose?
Two ways to go here.

A) You're never going to convict them, so shut up and cheer them on as they protect, serve and leave a trail of "collateral" carnage of, often, the very people they were supposed to be protecting and serving.

B) Let's make a change. The first part of that is trying every one of these cases until people, on a large scale, come to be aware of what's going on... while also protesting and using politics to get the word out.

Yet, whaddayaknow, every time anyone tries to do any part of B, there's someone there to yell at them for wasting taxpayer money, being racist, being divisive, hating all cops, etc, etc...

Stop being part of the problem.
12-09-2017 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
Firing? How about charging? Him and his supervisors who allowed it. The people who support this bull**** are the same ones who are furious about that "**** Trump," decal on the truck in Texas because of the offensive language... But a cop, a role model, can have "YOU'RE ****ED" on his gun? Come on.

He was looking for a chance the day he had that etched on his gun, and he finally got it.
They're clearly stating that he should have been fired before the shooting.
12-09-2017 , 07:15 PM
Lol @ people talking to golfnutz
12-09-2017 , 07:43 PM
WE DON’T CONVICT COPS.

You have an unarmed white guy sobbing. Pumped full of lead from a team of commandos at the La Quinta Hotel in Mesa.

If the officer was found not guilty, with damning video, there is no prosecutor that is going to try another case. You look real bad when you lose. There is no moral victory. You don’t get promoted. You prosecute a police officer, you are going after yourself. There were police officers called as witnesses on both sides.

Even if you win as a prosecutor, you lose. Putting a police officer in jail who was responding to a weapons call will cause a lot of animosity. As someone said, prosecutors do soft play these cases. As did the judge. Who didn’t allow the weapon to be shown! The weapon used to kill another person. Imagine any other homicide case where the weapon isn’t shown.

Stacked deck. The outcome was already known.

Think prosecutors are itching to try other cops after this?
12-09-2017 , 08:04 PM
How does it make any sense that the jury gets to hear about the alleged waving the gun out the window but not about the GET ****ED on the murderers gun?
12-09-2017 , 09:13 PM
Golfnutt, just admit you've signed up cheerfully for a future in which cops mow down unarmed civilians at their whim with zero repercussions. Otherwise, shut the hell up.
12-09-2017 , 09:21 PM
Did anyone follow this trial closely? Did the victim, or someone in that room, actually point a rifle out the window?

Did anyone at trial give any explanation for the bizarre orders that the cop gave to the victim? I know very little about policing, but surely it is safer if you are a police officer to tell someone to lie facedown with arms out while you approach. I just don't see how telling someone to crawl towards you could ever be part of any accepted police procedure. The video almost seems like the cop was trying to precipitate a crisis.
12-09-2017 , 09:28 PM
If you look at the reforms Black Lives Matter campaigns for, they are on point for this case. Having sane policing would benefit all races. Even if you don't believe white supremacy is the disease, the cure is good.

https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

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Establish standards and reporting of police use of deadly force

A. Authorize deadly force only when there is an imminent threat to an officer's life or the life of another person and such force is strictly unavoidable to protect life as required under International Law. Deadly force should only be authorized after all other reasonable means have been exhausted. (Ex: International Deadly Force Standard; Tennessee Deadly Force Law)

B. Require that an officer's tactical conduct and decisions leading up to using deadly force be considered in judgements of whether such force was reasonable. (Ex: LAPD Use of Force Policy)

C. Require officers give a verbal warning, when possible, before using deadly force and give subjects a reasonable amount of time to comply with the warning (Ex: Las Vegas Metro PD Policy)

D. Require reporting of police killings or serious injuries of civilians (Ex: The PRIDE Act; Colorado law)

E. Require the names of both the officer(s) involved and victim(s) to be released within 72 hours of a deadly force incident (Ex: Philadelphia PD Policy)
That's just one section.
12-09-2017 , 10:02 PM
The guy yelling commands wasn’t the shooter? These guys suck at their job.
12-09-2017 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Did anyone follow this trial closely? Did the victim, or someone in that room, actually point a rifle out the window?

Did anyone at trial give any explanation for the bizarre orders that the cop gave to the victim? I know very little about policing, but surely it is safer if you are a police officer to tell someone to lie facedown with arms out while you approach. I just don't see how telling someone to crawl towards you could ever be part of any accepted police procedure. The video almost seems like the cop was trying to precipitate a crisis.
The crawling seems like a fine idea under the circumstances which are supposedly the cop worried about getting shot through the door or something, but the screaming and shooting was psychotic. It was an insane stupid psychopath playing Simon Says. I haven't seen these so I don't know, but maybe it came from one of those Saw movies.
12-09-2017 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sumey
Edit: on second thoughts they'd probably jump on your back, scream that you're resisting and pop one anyway. It's so ****ed up it's depressing.
He was getting shot no matter what he did.
12-10-2017 , 12:51 AM
I’ve heard a lot mentioned about an open door. Did everyone watch to the end where to door was closed and they tried several time’s to open it with a key card?

      
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