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12-19-2015 , 04:04 PM

#5026

Chips Ahoy

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the deputy on the right shot the deputy on the left
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-0...607-story.html

12-19-2015 , 04:09 PM

#5027

will1530

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Yeah you can see both of the suspects hands up until 1 second before the shot (it's in slow motion at this point). He clearly doesn't have a gun.

12-19-2015 , 04:13 PM

#5028

Chips Ahoy

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it was justified:
https://photographyisnotacrime.com/w...ath-Report.pdf

12-19-2015 , 04:17 PM

#5029

Louis Cyphre

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy

it was justified:
https://photographyisnotacrime.com/w...ath-Report.pdf

From the Report:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Statement of Deputy Ruiz

Ruiz and Murad exited the patrol car and pursued Aguilar, who continuously reached for this waistband.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Statement of Deputy Murad

Aguillar'(sic) right hand was holding something secreted in his waistband.

12-19-2015 , 04:19 PM

#5030

BigPoppa

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That ****ing waistband again. Should ban them imo.

12-19-2015 , 04:26 PM

#5031

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The video, which shows a chaotic struggle, was taken by a bystander who recently dropped it off anonymously at one of their offices, according to the attorneys.

A year and a half later? So, the cops/district attorney didn't have access to the video?

12-19-2015 , 04:31 PM

#5032

Louis Cyphre

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BigPoppa

That ****ing waistband again. Should ban them imo.

Is this like a British English/American English thing where Americans call waistband what the British call holster?

12-19-2015 , 04:31 PM

#5033

Louis Cyphre

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle

A year and a half later? So, the cops/district attorney didn't have access to the video?

The report describes a video. I assume the one that was linked here.

12-19-2015 , 04:35 PM

#5034

BigPoppa

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre

Is this like a British English/American English thing where Americans call waistband what the British call holster?

Nope. It's just the ****ing waist of his pants.

Every time there's a shooting, they claim the guy was reaching for his waistband. In about 5% of those cases, he was really reaching for a weapon.

12-19-2015 , 04:39 PM

#5035

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Wow. This is how that story ran in the original OC Register article in 2014: Man who shot sheriff's deputy and died in shooting was known gang member

Quote:

A 23-year-old man who shot a sheriff’s deputy in North Long Beach on Monday and subsequently died in a deputy-involved shooting was a known gang member on the city’s gang injunction list, authorities said Tuesday.

The wounded deputy, a seven-year veteran with the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Station in Compton, was shot in the abdomen at close range but he was expected to survive, officials said. The deputy underwent surgery and was recovering Tuesday.

The suspect, identified as Noel Enrique Aguilar, did not have a listed city of residence, but at age 23, he already had a lengthy criminal record in Long Beach dating to at least 2009, according to L.A. County Superior Court records.

Authorities said Aguilar was riding his bicycle just before 10 a.m. Monday in 69th Way and Long Beach Boulevard, when he was stopped by two deputies and a struggle ensued. Aguilar broke free and ran, but deputies caught up to him and at one point, Aguilar tried to take one of the deputy’s handguns, authorities said.

“This resulted in both deputies firing their duty weapon at the suspect, who was also armed with his own handgun,” the L.A. County Sheriff’s Department said in a statement. “The suspect was struck by gunfire and pronounced dead at the scene.”

Descripton of the video in yesterday's OC Weekly article:

Quote:

Cellphone footage obtained by the Weekly starts rolling when deputies are on top of Aguilar after the foot chase. "Is it a gun?" deputy Albert Murad asks his partner Jose Ruiz. "It's a gun, it's a gun," Ruiz responds. "You ****ing move, I'm going to kill you bitch," Ruiz tells Aguilar. The two deputies attempt to cuff Aguilar when he wiggles his hand free. Aguilar tries to get up, holding on to the gated fence nearby. Moments later, after a gunshot rings out, deputy Murad screams and says he has just being shot in the stomach. "I didn't shoot nobody," Aguilar says.

After more struggling, Aguilar turns to his side and asks why deputy Ruiz has pulled out his gun out. The deputy then fires a shot into Aguilar's stomach. His partner quickly reaches for his own gun and fires three shots at Aguilar. The deputies can be heard saying to each other that Aguilar had tried to grab a hold of their weapons. Authorities said that Aguilar's gun had been recovered from the scene.

Later:

Quote:

Further investigation by the LASD showed that the gunfire came from the other deputy's weapon and that Aguilar's weapon hadn't been discharged.

Apparently they knew just two weeks after the initial shooting (May 2014) that Aguilar didn't shoot the deputy.

12-19-2015 , 04:46 PM

#5036

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre

Is this like a British English/American English thing where Americans call waistband what the British call holster?

Hmmm, not sure if the Brits have different terms.

As an American,

Holster = a type of carrying case, usually worn around the waist, or accross the chest, designed to carry a gun.

Waistband = the bit of fabric that runs along the top of a pair of pants.

In lieu of wearing a holster, some folks will just tuck their gun into the top of their pants. Thus, someone who suddenly reached for their waistband, could, theoretically, be reaching for a gun.

12-19-2015 , 04:47 PM

#5037

Louis Cyphre

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BigPoppa

Nope. It's just the ****ing waist of his pants.

Every time there's a shooting, they claim the guy was reaching for his waistband. In about 5% of those cases, he was really reaching for a weapon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigoldnit

Thank you. I know. I was being facetious.

12-19-2015 , 07:09 PM

#5038

Wooders0n

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Meh, if the guy really did have a gun I think the shooting is justified given the level of resistance to the arrest.

The fat guy on the left could have just shot him once in the arm or something though. But he didn't know the other cop shot him.

12-19-2015 , 07:33 PM

#5039

rjoefish

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If you're pulling your gun to shoot people in the arm you're an idiot.

12-19-2015 , 08:01 PM

#5040

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigoldnit

You mean trousers?

12-19-2015 , 08:50 PM

#5041

formula72

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rjoefish

If you're pulling your gun to shoot people in the arm you're an idiot.

and a hellava lotta confidence in your aim

12-20-2015 , 09:03 AM

#5042

heltok

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This one looks pretty bad also:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=775_1449869162

12-20-2015 , 09:14 AM

#5043

TimmayB

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This time we have actual video of a hands up situation - sadly, nothing will change and the cop prolly won't get charged.

12-20-2015 , 05:43 PM

#5044

Wooders0n

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Quote:

Originally Posted by formula72

and a hellava lotta confidence in your aim

Did you watch the video? The guy was being held down and was completely still and the cop was 3 inches away from him.

12-20-2015 , 11:30 PM

#5045

will1530

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Yeah basically the same position he was in when the other cop missed and shot his partner.

12-21-2015 , 05:11 PM

#5046

shorn7

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heltok

This one looks pretty bad also:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=775_1449869162

That is insane. How can they not be charged??

12-23-2015 , 07:11 PM

#5047

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"More than 50 police officers involved in fatal shootings this year had previously fired their guns in deadly on-duty shootings, according to a Washington Post investigation.

For a handful of officers, it was their third fatal shooting. For one officer, it was his fourth.

The findings concerned many law enforcement experts, who said that most officers never fire their weapons on the job."

"The Post also found that an additional 45 officers had previously been involved in non-fatal shootings."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...mepage%2Fstory