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Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN

07-19-2015 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Sigh. Sweep, really what kind of idea is this? I know you think this would stop abuse, and it probably would, but it'd also stop policing.
Another thing in the difference between conservatives and liberals and it's fear and that one's been studied. Conservatives are afraid if the police weren't there and relatively unrestrained, that society would crumble. Not just a particular race, but conservatives think that society is always on the edge of absolute chaos.
07-20-2015 , 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Another thing in the difference between conservatives and liberals and it's fear and that one's been studied. Conservatives are afraid if the police weren't there and relatively unrestrained, that society would crumble. Not just a particular race, but conservatives think that society is always on the edge of absolute chaos.
I think this line of thought depends on your view of human nature. I believe humans are generally good, or we would have never reached this point in our evolution.

That being said , there's a certain % of people who are awful. I don't know what that % is but I'd guess its less than 25%. If I had to bet money I'd put it at 10% or less.
07-20-2015 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Disagree. This is institutionalized behavior; the institutions should be on the hook when the people they've hired and trained strangle black people to death and they shouldn't be able to wash their hands of the whole thing by blaming some rouge bad apple.
Wait. Are you implying that police departments hire racist cops?
07-20-2015 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by sweep single
The solution is real simple. When police abuse suspects instead of the taxpayers being on the hook for their behavior in lawsuits, allow victims to sue a law enforcement officer personally. Sure settlements would be lower but cops would think twice before committing these atrocities if they knew they stood to lose everything they own.
This is a terrible idea.
07-20-2015 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
My original statement had nothing to do with the race of the police. I'm fairly certain that I haven't pushed an agenda regarding the race of the people policing these neighborhoods. So you can roll your eyes all you want, but evidently the subtlety did escape you.
How exactly has the Baltimore police department demonstrated their racist, oppressive police behavior?
07-20-2015 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Another thing in the difference between conservatives and liberals and it's fear and that one's been studied. Conservatives are afraid if the police weren't there and relatively unrestrained, that society would crumble. Not just a particular race, but conservatives think that society is always on the edge of absolute chaos.
LOL wat???
07-20-2015 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
LOL wat???
http://www.psych.nyu.edu/jost/Politi...ective%20a.pdf

and

http://www.cell.com/current-biology/...822(11)00289-2

among others
07-20-2015 , 02:20 AM
Where is the part that backs up what you stated about conservatives and how they view police. It's BS, stereotyping ftw.
07-20-2015 , 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Disagree. This is institutionalized behavior; the institutions should be on the hook when the people they've hired and trained strangle black people to death and they shouldn't be able to wash their hands of the whole thing by blaming some rouge bad apple.
NYC paying through the nose in Eric Gardner settlement. Can't possibly be good for the careers of those cops so to me it appears that system functioned ok. Cops should have been indicted? Maybe, not sure.
07-20-2015 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Where is the part that backs up what you stated about conservatives and how they view police. It's BS, stereotyping ftw.
I thought you were questioning the part about conservatives being more fearful. Being afraid that society is about to crumble is maybe stereotyping, I don't have a survey on that, but it's consistent with the non-stereotyping research on conservatives being more fearful.
07-20-2015 , 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
NYC paying through the nose in Eric Gardner settlement.
Not really. Average cops salary x # of cops, its effectively nothing
07-20-2015 , 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I thought you were questioning the part about conservatives being more fearful. Being afraid that society is about to crumble is maybe stereotyping, I don't have a survey on that, but it's consistent with the non-stereotyping research on conservatives being more fearful.
all you have to do is watch fox news for like an hour (15 minutes?) and it's painfully obvious. lol @ needing to source or explain why republican platforms (and mentality) are based on a fear driven agenda
07-20-2015 , 07:48 AM
ITT someone who thinks its ok for cops to beat on blacks opines on the inherent goodness of humans.

Wil you are part of whatever percentage of humans are truly awful and hopefully anyone you can influence in future generations continues to live a continent away.
07-20-2015 , 09:01 AM
I hope I'm not the only person who has seen this irony laden headline

Baltimore Police: “We gave statements under duress”
http://whnt.com/2015/07/19/baltimore...-under-duress/
07-20-2015 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I think this line of thought depends on your view of human nature. I believe humans are generally good, or we would have never reached this point in our evolution.

That being said , there's a certain % of people who are awful. I don't know what that % is but I'd guess its less than 25%. If I had to bet money I'd put it at 10% or less.
So much depends on what you mean by 'good' and awful. Just about everyone is both to varying extents.

Letsgambool calls you truly awful which makes pretty much everyone awful. His probably just removing any meaning from the words rather than making a meaningful statement though there are some people who think humans are overwhelmingly awful so maybe his one of those.
07-20-2015 , 09:49 AM
Chez making another great read on a poster he wants to go to bat for.

Chez, tell me, which of wil's viewpoints do you find non-awful in the context of a wil-world where 90%+ of humans are good people? Was it the cops can punch suspects in the face and its not abuse? The "we have to let cops beat up some black people to police effectively"? Was it "This doesn't happen with Hispanics or Asians, blacks must bring it on themselves"?

Please chez, you say you haven't spent thousands of posts passively aggressively fighting past battles, so show you aren't doing that here and share with us which of these non-awful viewpoints you are sticking up for here.
07-20-2015 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
all you have to do is watch fox news for like an hour (15 minutes?) and it's painfully obvious. lol @ needing to source or explain why republican platforms (and mentality) are based on a fear driven agenda
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=293472
07-20-2015 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Chez making another great read on a poster he wants to go to bat for.

Chez, tell me, which of wil's viewpoints do you find non-awful in the context of a wil-world where 90%+ of humans are good people? Was it the cops can punch suspects in the face and its not abuse? The "we have to let cops beat up some black people to police effectively"? Was it "This doesn't happen with Hispanics or Asians, blacks must bring it on themselves"?

Please chez, you say you haven't spent thousands of posts passively aggressively fighting past battles, so show you aren't doing that here and share with us which of these non-awful viewpoints you are sticking up for here.
I don't have to agree with or stick up for any of his viewpoints. I don't share all of yours either but neither come close to making you truly awful people. Like just about everyone you are a combination of the good and the scummy.
07-20-2015 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by mmbt0ne
I hope I'm not the only person who has seen this irony laden headline

Baltimore Police: “We gave statements under duress”
http://whnt.com/2015/07/19/baltimore...-under-duress/
1. Must be some damning stuff in those statements.

2. The logic here makes no sense. The officers claim they only incriminated themselves because they feared being fired. But revealing incriminating information would likely also lead to being fired.

3. It's pretty lol that people charged with reading the Miranda rights to other people could complain that they were not advised of those rights.
07-20-2015 , 10:53 AM
I was wondering about #3. If a cop is arrested do they have to be read their rights like others or is there some leeway for people that already know them?
07-20-2015 , 10:54 AM
OK, its just more of the usual-usual from you where you passive aggressively defend all racist posters because....reasons.
07-20-2015 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
ITT someone who thinks its ok for cops to beat on blacks opines on the inherent goodness of humans.

Wil you are part of whatever percentage of humans are truly awful and hopefully anyone you can influence in future generations continues to live a continent away.
There are people in this world who are really bad people. Not just the opportunists, I mean the predators who don't care who they hurt to get what they want. If you think disagreeing with me on an internet forum makes me a "truly awful" person you are an absolute fool.

Arguing or debating anything with you is useless, but your assessment of how things really are is truly ******ed.
07-20-2015 , 10:56 AM
Congrats on getting over the bar of not being a violent predator wil.

Lol at "disagreeing on an internet forum". Wil, your viewpoint is that cops have to crack the heads of a few black people to police effectively and that black people bring police abuse on themselves. There aren't two equal sides of the issues that merit debate. There's you being a terrible bigot and people mocking you for it.
07-20-2015 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
So much depends on what you mean by 'good' and awful. Just about everyone is both to varying extents.
Disagree totally. I know almost no one that is or does awful things. That depends on how you define it but the word means the extreme of one side. I don't associate with people who exhibit that type of behavior in anything.

      
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