Wil, your differing view inevitably boils down to "its not bigotry, the blacks/gays do it to themselves something something YOU ARENT ON THE MEAN STREETS" so yeah, you are going to continue to be mocked for your differing view.

i'm still trying to find where anybody engaged in name-calling against wil. so far all i can see is that people have called him "wrong" and "ignorant" while providing links to refute his absurd assertions about inner city crime rates and the drug war in the 80s/90s

They weren't in Philly, the baddest city in the country though.

he's lol'ing at your empty emotionalism because you're just chirping like a fox news parrot when you're not spouting off a bunch of wrong statistics and bragging about your arrest record

Hahahaha wil thinks he's been acting civil until now

I'm not talking about you calling a man your age a kid, which is obnoxious but w/e, the issue is that you seem the think that your ability to recall major news stories from the 80s-90s is some unique superpower that the rest your audience doesn't have. Dude, we know about the crack epidemic and the War on Drugs. Like, Newsweek Magazine Reader Man is not a superhero that exists.

I've almost always acted civil towards everyone until tthey didn't towards me. Have ever once acted uncivil towards anyone who hasnt? Name one.

You act like a total child with your mocking and derision. I treat you as you deserve to. Notice how if I have a disagreement with tien or wookie or Howard I talk to them respectfully. People who want respect show respect. You deserve none.

And... That's not my point at all.

It's well established that wil's life experience is all anyone needs to know about anything. And that mere mortals are not capable of comprehending that experience.

The harsher laws percolated upwards from the (mostly) black and hispanic community activists themselves and they were adamant in their demands. In this case the harsher laws were not a conspiracy to put the brown man in prison.

Having forgotten (or never known) the genesis of these laws that turned out to have such a large disparate impact we now have the movement to reform the law.

Citation? As I recall it was a bunch of myths like Crack babies being pushed on Americans by media and Reagan through Clinton.

"Mocking and derision"? wil is confirmed a spank gimmick! Things make a lot more sense now.

What an accusation!

Lolwut? These black community activists pushed for harsher drug laws and then ...totally forgot about them a decade later? Is there some supervillain giving them all collective amnesia? Sounds like a job for Newsweek Reader Man!

I've done some googling and the only place I can find something to back up his claims is a site that claims to break down the agenda of the 'political left' and their evidence to back it up is the Congressional Black Caucus backed the stiffer laws.

Besides my own eyes and ears? OK, I googled around and have tried to double check the sources for an agenda which would disqualify them. I've tried to be careful but haven't put hours into it.

Re the 'crack babies' wiki says that the belief that crack babies would turn out to be monsters was widely accepted at first in the scientific and lay communities, later changed due to increased evidence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_cocaine_exposure

Here is something from a website called 'The Federalist' that I don't know a thing about. (I did reject a cite from another site that a bit of research showed was anti-liberal)

http://thefederalist.com/2014/07/17/...-drugs-racist/

The harsher penalties for crack cocaine offenses were supported by most of the Congressional Black Caucus, including New York Representatives Major Owens of Brooklyn and Charles Rangel of Harlem, who at the time headed the House Select Com¬mittee on Narcotics Abuse and Control. Crack was destroying black communities, and many black political leaders wanted dealers to face longer sentences. “Eleven of the twenty-one blacks who were then members of the House of Representatives voted in favor of the law which created the 100-to-1 crack–powder differential,” noted Harvard law professor Randall Kennedy. “In light of charges that the crack–powder distinction was enacted partly because of conscious or unconscious racism, it is noteworthy that none of the black members of Congress made that claim at the time the bill was initially discussed.”

And here's an article regarding Charles Rangel:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/313060-pro...and-drug-wars/

Under his leadership, many members of the Congressional Black Caucus voted in favor of some of the most punitive drug-war era legislation, expanding mandatory minimum sentences, funding more prisons and boosting penalties for crack cocaine.

11 for, 10 against? Sounds like some pretty strong support. No wonder the other site didn't break down the numbers.

But this is a pretty classic example of 'some black people supported it so it can't be racist' lines we've been seeing around here lately.

I knew it would be Wil like. "I was there." The federalist lol.

Meanwhile civil rights activists and others were calling out these laws in 1995.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...cocaine-crimes

I thought it would be apparent that I meant that the politicians (often changing) would be unfamiliar w/ the push for harsher crack laws at the community level if they even heard of it at all. Point is is that there was minority group support (demand wouldn't be going too far) at the time. Meanwhile the Fair Sentencing Act closes the disparity gap but it still looks pretty big to me. Obv there's still pressure to keep the crack laws tougher.

In 2010, Congress passed the Fair Sentencing Act (FSA), which reduced the sentencing disparity between offenses for crack and powder cocaine from 100:1 to 18:1.

Classic, yourself. IMO, 11 members of the CBC are not just 'some black people.'

Would you say 11 for and 10 against is reason to believe there were some serious disagreements within the CBC as to the law?

Of course, it speaks for itself, but it doesn't change the fact that in this particular case the law was passed for a reason other than a racist plot to throw the brown man in prison.

btw, the new 18:1 guidelines are still going to put more blacks in prison than whites and how they came to that number given the obv disparate impact I can't imagine.

Well, it's probably like how they came up with it last time.

This was your original claim that I asked you to provide a citation for. Barely half of some caucus supporting the laws isn't a citation that backs this.