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And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

10-20-2012 , 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
We have a political compass thread

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

I'm not a huge fan of the test tbh but it still may be one of the best out there,
Just did this. It put me right on the line 1.62 to the left, almost 2 lines over, right in the middle between Authoritarian and Social Libertarian, -.05, so just slightly down.

Obama and Romney are far to the upper right. I'm out on my own. Seems kind of disconcerting. haha I'm making my way towards Gandhi.
10-20-2012 , 04:38 AM
+5.12 economic, -4 down so I'm clearly a libertarian lunatic.

Was 89% with Gary Johnson from the who I side with site.

Last edited by Palo; 10-20-2012 at 04:47 AM.
10-20-2012 , 05:16 AM
The political compass test seems a little flawed to me. I tried as hard as I could to be a fascist, and I wound up in between Romney and Obama. It seems like they're trying to make a statement.
10-20-2012 , 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ItalianFX
Just did this. It put me right on the line 1.62 to the left, almost 2 lines over, right in the middle between Authoritarian and Social Libertarian, -.05, so just slightly down.

Obama and Romney are far to the upper right. I'm out on my own. Seems kind of disconcerting. haha I'm making my way towards Gandhi.
What astounds me about Obama and Romney is how close together they are - I mean they're virtaully the same! This is surprising especially when you consider all the talk on right-wing radio and the Fox News Channel blasting Obama for being an alleged socialist/Marxist/Communist radical extremist power crazy maniac bent on anniliating the free enterprise system and destroying America. The last place I expected to see Obama was where they show him on the graph. That result is so strange that I wonder if Obama and Romney actually took the test?
10-20-2012 , 06:06 AM
I think romnesia is going to stick.
10-20-2012 , 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Its amazing how many isolated incidents of voter fraud have happened this election by employees of a firm hired by Republicans that was asked by Republicans to change their name before this cycle started to avoid people googling it to find out how many previous isolated incidents of voter fraud was carried out by their employees.

Coincidences really do run in dozens.
A report just aired on CNN about a fairly young guy up in Virginia who was working on voter registration for the GOP. He apparently was caught in the act of destroying filled out voter registration forms by discarding them in a dumpster. (One assumes he was getting rid of the ones who identified themselves as Democrats.) He has been indicted on eight charges of voter fraud and will probably face prosecution.

One has the sense that of all the folks who were out registering people to vote, (on both sides of the political spectrum), it's doubtful that this one "true believer" is the only person to engage in such behavior. Of course, destroying voter registration forms (rather than turning them in) could lead to big problems on election day. If substantial numbers of people show up to vote, believing that they are registered, only to be told "Sorry, but your name is not on the list of registered voters so you cannot vote," that's liable to create a lot of consternation - especially if the "ineligible voter" happens to reside in a state where the race is very close.

After this race is over, Congress (and/or state legislatures) ought to tighten up voter registration laws and increase the punishment doled out to "workers" who destroy or discard filled out registration forms. I would even be in favor of making it illegal to have paid (or unpaid) workers going around signing people up. There's just too much opportunity for fraud and abuse with the way this process is handled now. There is undoubtedly a bunch of "shady stuff" (like this kid in Virginia) going on right now. When this kind of fraud gets out of hand, it threatens the integrity and legitimacy of the entire electoral process. If people believe their Government is important enough to care about and be involved in, they should be willing to make a trip down to their local courthouse to register in person. I did.

Last edited by Alan C. Lawhon; 10-20-2012 at 06:34 AM. Reason: Minor edit.
10-20-2012 , 06:31 AM
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What's good for the most successful corporations is always, ultimately, good for all of us.

What kind of question is this?

Tom's test speaks in too many absolutes.
10-20-2012 , 06:31 AM
LOL do newspaper endorsements have any effect whatsoever? I'm sure that about 3.5 voters will be swayed by the Salt Lake Tribune's statement of support for Obama.
10-20-2012 , 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Nate says they had a D+3.1 house effect, second worse tilt of the bunch he evaluated.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...polling-firms/
Note that this evaluation was for this year, not 2008. And this is before ppp switched to its LV model. I think their LV model is less tilted, but I could be wrong. But that might explain why they were pretty darn good in '08 but not as good this summer.
10-20-2012 , 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Binders full of women is something we laugh at. Libya is something that conservatives are incredibly butthurt about and cry about all the time, whining about how the liberal media isn't giving it enough coverage or YEAAAA BUDDY can't believe they only spent 7 minutes on it in the debate. They're not comparable.
The only difference between the two is that 4 people died in one event and there are a lot of unanswered questions about why it happened. It's nice that all democrats conveniently are ignoring the issue because it will potentially hurt Obama in the election.
10-20-2012 , 08:42 AM
the deadcount since 2000


dems-4


gop-- has to be at least 100k killed around the world right? is that a low estimate?



gop should be bitching about welfare, and taxes, not people dying (don't have a leg to stand on imo)

Last edited by big gilute; 10-20-2012 at 08:59 AM.
10-20-2012 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by vajennasguy
http://www.isidewith.com/
someone linked this earlier in the thread
I took this and got

Romney: 87%
Gary Johnson: 79%
Obama: 61%
American voters: 55%

The big headline: 55% of Americans agree with Antneye
10-20-2012 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Pretty sweet false equivalence between doubting one pollster and doubting all the pollsters right here.
Lol Anatta doubts every poll that doesn't support Obama.
10-20-2012 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by cres
that's the 2nd post you've made about being 'locked out' of your work place. is it because campaign hq's wants to make your tasks harder
FOs are not allowed in the staging locations on election days. We have to run our teams from an offsite location and are only allowed to talk to specific people. Our teams have to be fully self functioning.
10-20-2012 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan C. Lawhon
A report just aired on CNN about a fairly young guy up in Virginia who was working on voter registration for the GOP. He apparently was caught in the act of destroying filled out voter registration forms by discarding them in a dumpster. (One assumes he was getting rid of the ones who identified themselves as Democrats.) He has been indicted on eight charges of voter fraud and will probably face prosecution.

One has the sense that of all the folks who were out registering people to vote, (on both sides of the political spectrum), it's doubtful that this one "true believer" is the only person to engage in such behavior. Of course, destroying voter registration forms (rather than turning them in) could lead to big problems on election day. If substantial numbers of people show up to vote, believing that they are registered, only to be told "Sorry, but your name is not on the list of registered voters so you cannot vote," that's liable to create a lot of consternation - especially if the "ineligible voter" happens to reside in a state where the race is very close.

After this race is over, Congress (and/or state legislatures) ought to tighten up voter registration laws and increase the punishment doled out to "workers" who destroy or discard filled out registration forms. I would even be in favor of making it illegal to have paid (or unpaid) workers going around signing people up. There's just too much opportunity for fraud and abuse with the way this process is handled now. There is undoubtedly a bunch of "shady stuff" (like this kid in Virginia) going on right now. When this kind of fraud gets out of hand, it threatens the integrity and legitimacy of the entire electoral process. If people believe their Government is important enough to care about and be involved in, they should be willing to make a trip down to their local courthouse to register in person. I did.
I'm believing the theory that he had not done his job in time (have 15 days to turn in incomplete forms) and freaked out about getting fired and tried to get rid of the evidence. Mainly because he works for the GOP so most likely people from the Republican party would register with them and it would be very difficult for him to know which party they sided with as Virginia doesn't use that system on voter registration forms.

Still not a great look for the GOP but I'm not thinking it was some nefarious purpose other than this guy just trying to cover his ass and keep his job after messing up.
10-20-2012 , 10:08 AM
Chris Bowers created a simple, useful swing-state chart, now updated through yesterday. He'll probably update it continuously. It shows where each swing state stands as per 538, RCP and Pollster, and then averages the three of them.

https://docs.google.com/a/macalester...2RWc5V3c#gid=0

I wish I could figure out how to copy the chart over here. It's a nice way to get a quick overview.
10-20-2012 , 10:13 AM
Sam Wang's map, updated this morning.

10-20-2012 , 10:26 AM
Hmm, I must be the only one here with nothing else to do on a Saturday morning. So, I'll keep posting for myself.

Obama had huge fundraising day after the second debate. I think this is noteworthy not for its implications about the ability to spend, but for its implications as to possible rising enthusiasm for him.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...sing-day-ever/

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President Obama on Oct. 17 had his single most lucrative day of campaign fundraising ever, an Obama campaign official confirmed to ABC News.

The record-setting haul, which the official declined to specify, was attributed to a surge of online contributions from grassroots donors following Obama’s performance in the second 2012 presidential debate.

The campaign announced last week that it has amassed a base of 4 million unique donors — or 1 in 75 Americans — a new record.

The flood of cash appears to signal a resurgent enthusiasm among Democrats, two weeks after the president’s lackluster first debate rattled nerves and dampened spirits.
10-20-2012 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
I'm believing the theory that he had not done his job in time (have 15 days to turn in incomplete forms) and freaked out about getting fired and tried to get rid of the evidence. Mainly because he works for the GOP so most likely people from the Republican party would register with them and it would be very difficult for him to know which party they sided with as Virginia doesn't use that system on voter registration forms.

Still not a great look for the GOP but I'm not thinking it was some nefarious purpose other than this guy just trying to cover his ass and keep his job after messing up.
It shows that people working for a political party or a private company are willing and able to cause someone how is eligible and wanting to vote to not be able to. That's a flaw in the system. Where I am from registering to vote is between the eligible voter, the electoral commission and no one else (just like actual voting is). I cant see why for profit companies and political parties should be involved at all. If the answer is they make it easier for people to registrar then the solution is for the electoral commission to do just that. In this day and age I don't know why an eligible voter cant registrar on their way into the voting booth...
10-20-2012 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
me: RAS was bad in 08 when it counted, in their final swing state polling they NEVER missed for obama. they were wrong by over 6-10 points often. they were the worst polling outfit in many states.

ike: look at the democratic primary in 08 and tell me they are bad.
10-20-2012 , 10:35 AM
I agree, you should have one stop registration and voting in all the states but the GOP hates that so it's not going to happen. Allowing 3rd parties to register people is not a bad thing though.
10-20-2012 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by anatta
me: RAS was bad in 08 when it counted, in their final swing state polling they NEVER missed for obama. they were wrong by over 6-10 points often. they were the worst polling outfit in many states.

ike: look at the democratic primary in 08 and tell me they are bad.
anatta you don't get to pretend for a second that what you've done is an analysis good enough to hold a candle to Nate.
10-20-2012 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by sngmincash
It shows that people working for a political party or a private company are willing and able to cause someone how is eligible and wanting to vote to not be able to. That's a flaw in the system. Where I am from registering to vote is between the eligible voter, the electoral commission and no one else (just like actual voting is). I cant see why for profit companies and political parties should be involved at all. If the answer is they make it easier for people to registrar then the solution is for the electoral commission to do just that. In this day and age I don't know why an eligible voter cant registrar on their way into the voting booth...
Those are good points. I had never really given it much though. Some googling turned up a proposal that I can get behind:

Voter Registration Modernization

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  • Automatic Registration: States will register every voter when they turn 18 or become naturalized citizens through information contained in other government lists, such as driving records, assistance rolls and other safeguarded information.
  • Permanent Registration: Through change of address and other lists, voters will stay on their states' rolls if they move within that state.
  • Election Day Correction: Any voter who either does not show up on the registration rolls or whose registration contains incorrect information will be allowed to register on the spot and cast a regular ballot on Election Day.
10-20-2012 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by anatta
every state that matters wow go down the list. Ras is just awful. off by 7 in wisconsin, 4 in ohio...both the worst of everyone pretty much. lets see what else...missed PA by 5, missed VA by 2.3 nice job there. oddly always for mccain. what else...

just missed NV by 8.4, and had mccain in NC, MI so close 6.5 better luck next time.

couldnt quite get that obama 2.5 win in Florida, had mccain up only firm to do that...

CO 4.5 miss by the house of RAS. what a joke. imagine what they are doing in a close race like this. NM miss 4.5
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Originally Posted by anatta
but they nailed south dakota. and mississippi, u know they tilted obama there. so they skew their results in the not matter states to say hey our final average wasnt that bad imo.

worst in OR, pretty much the worst in every state. i am not cherry picking imo, see for yourself, what state that was reasonably on the map did they get. oh Missouri, they had it close and it was. most accurate pollster in Missouri. had it tied and mcain won by .10. they were good in IA, got the 9 point or so win.

had mccain in IN by 3. he lost by 1.
RAS just bad man.
10-20-2012 , 10:41 AM
lol where did anatta claim to be "better than nate'.

      
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