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And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney And Here. We. Go. 2012 Presidential Election: Obama v. Romney

10-05-2012 , 09:59 PM
my internet was down during the debates- just for the record I thought Romney destroyed Obama in that debate and I was very depressed about it. And i am sifting through the debate thread for the first time for fun.

edit- it also was annoying I never got to use my zinger avatar! I had so many b- jokes prepared that I thought were brilliant imo : (
10-05-2012 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Somebody did not click the link
Tru dat.
10-05-2012 , 10:02 PM
How does Obama let RMoney get off a 'you have your own plane, you have your own house' zinger? I MEAN REALLY BARRY THIS IS A GUY WITH DANCING HORSES AND A CAR ELEVATOR
10-05-2012 , 10:15 PM
Ali Velshi taking Jack Welsh to school on ethics and honestly. Love how he handled it on CNN. Ali is pure class.
10-05-2012 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
How does Obama let RMoney get off a 'you have your own plane, you have your own house' zinger? I MEAN REALLY BARRY THIS IS A GUY WITH DANCING HORSES AND A CAR ELEVATOR
This debate exemplifies the reason Bill Clinton was the goat politician and Obama is merely very very good- Clinton would NOT have lost that debate.

As an extreme liberal I was pacing back and forth after about 30 minutes in my room thinking really? Obama is this some sort of performance art?
10-05-2012 , 10:17 PM
Watch just a highlight video or rallies since then and you'll feel a little bit better. Not much, but a little.
10-05-2012 , 10:19 PM
Stewart last night on TDS said it best that if he wants people to support him with donations and **** he has to show it at the debates.
10-05-2012 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
This debate exemplifies the reason Bill Clinton was the goat politician and Obama is merely very very good- Clinton would NOT have lost that debate.

As an extreme liberal I was pacing back and forth after about 30 minutes in my room thinking really? Obama is this some sort of performance art?
I never really thought much of the teleprompter jokes from the right but this last debate performance makes me wonder if perhaps he does lean on those things too much.
10-05-2012 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JimAfternoon
I never really thought much of the teleprompter jokes from the right but this last debate performance makes me wonder if perhaps he does lean on those things too much.
This thing is overblown imo. Is Obama better at prepared speeches? Sure, he happens to be one of the greats at prepared speeches. But plenty of evidence that he can be darn good without a teleprompter.
I think he just played it too safe in the debate. He didn't wanna mix it up and make a big mistake. He lost the debate because of it but unless the polls show some dramatic change in the next week the strategy may still be sound.
10-05-2012 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JimAfternoon
I never really thought much of the teleprompter jokes from the right but this last debate performance makes me wonder if perhaps he does lean on those things too much.
GMAFB. He was completely baffled at how to handle Romney's lies. For god's sake, he was coached to stay cool under pressure, and just had no clue what direction to take. We can all handle that, but put the teleprompter thing out to pasture wouldja please.
10-05-2012 , 10:34 PM
ToocoolLou with a faster, mellower pony imo.
10-05-2012 , 10:36 PM
I don't know. If his intention was to play it safe, that's reasonable. But he could have pulled that off and still portrayed competence. He looked literally lost for words. He struggled. He looked inept. I dont think it was a deliberate strategy.
10-05-2012 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JimAfternoon
I don't know. If his intention was to play it safe, that's reasonable. But he could have pulled that off and still portrayed competence. He looked literally lost for words. He struggled. He looked inept. I dont think it was a deliberate strategy.
It wasn't his best night for sure and Romney was much better than expected.
10-05-2012 , 10:41 PM
Nobody ever said it was a deliberate strategy Jim. In fact, every Dem on the planet says he lost. He wasn't playing it safe: Romney just turned into moderate Mitt with magic numbers, and Obama wasn't prepared for debating that.

You've noticed that the criticism lies in Obama's performance, vs. Mitt. The honest grown-ups discussion; however, exists in Romney's lies, and Obama's truths.

Last edited by gobbomom; 10-05-2012 at 10:48 PM.
10-05-2012 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbomom
GMAFB. He was completely baffled at how to handle Romney's lies. For god's sake, he was coached to stay cool under pressure, and just had no clue what direction to take. We can all handle that, but put the teleprompter thing out to pasture wouldja please.
Well, like, so would anyone. How do you prepare for Romney throwing away his entire platform, lying about what his platform used to be before the debate, and then running to Obama's left?
10-05-2012 , 10:48 PM
My take is that Obama thinks the debates are just an annoying necessity, along the lines of a fund raiser at George Clooney's house. He sees them as a waste of time, which is of course a big mistake. But when you consider how well he was polling and how horribad RMoney had been before debate #1, his attitude/performance kind of make sense.
10-05-2012 , 10:58 PM
It seems like Obama's well-known risk aversion coupled with utter shock at the brazenness of Romney to lie and flip flop is sufficient to explain the debate performance. No one had any idea that Romney was going to take such a huge zag in strategy. Obama didn't want to risk contesting it with improvised remarks that might come off poorly. He could fall back on commercials of the lies and debunk them later. Why risk an inartful or inaccurate rebuttal? Obama probably had some lines set, but not to the brand new Romney.
10-05-2012 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbomom
GMAFB. He was completely baffled at how to handle Romney's lies. For god's sake, he was coached to stay cool under pressure, and just had no clue what direction to take. We can all handle that, but put the teleprompter thing out to pasture wouldja please.
It was just a thought. Like I said, I've never had any reason to believe there was any validity to the notion until now. Either way, I'm sure his performance was due to a combination of a lot of different things.
10-05-2012 , 11:06 PM
Isn't Obama still working everyday as POTUS in a time when our people are getting bombed on diplomatic missions and a bloody long war is still going on. Dude's got 2 full-time jobs right now, one of which is the most important job in the world. I'd almost expect him to be more low-key, especially in contrast to sharing the stage with a hyper-underdog.

The concept Romney "won" anything in that debate is LOL in my book. It's a superficial opinion.
10-05-2012 , 11:10 PM
Right, but its not like he can say 'I'm too busy running the country.' The 'ORLY then why so much time campaigning bro' ads write themselves.

He's a big boy. He'll be fine.
10-05-2012 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

The concept Romney "won" anything in that debate is LOL in my book. It's a superficial opinion.
Romney won in that he looked likeable and plausible as president. Compare that to the two weeks before the debate where he was approaching Palin-like levels of undetectability.

Also, since I'm grunching the last few pages of posts, can I safely assume that Wynton has come in and bragged about how his prediction was exactly right?
10-05-2012 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Isn't Obama still working everyday as POTUS in a time when our people are getting bombed on diplomatic missions and a bloody long war is still going on. Dude's got 2 full-time jobs right now, one of which is the most important job in the world. I'd almost expect him to be more low-key, especially in contrast to sharing the stage with a hyper-underdog.

The concept Romney "won" anything in that debate is LOL in my book. It's a superficial opinion.
He seems to be able to make time to campaign. The least credible excuse for his performance is too busy to prepare imo.
10-05-2012 , 11:12 PM
Obama ads have been hitting the Romney-China angle pretty hard lately. I'm not really sure how I feel about that. They seem to be going for the protectionist vote. I think most people can grasp that as a business owner you have to go where the money is. But that doesn't necessarily mean that you wouldn't want to change things at a government level. I guess that angle tested well in focus groups.
10-05-2012 , 11:12 PM
So evidently staff are auto DQ'd from any of the contests to meet Obama. I was totally going to win the next one, I'm bummed.
10-05-2012 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Right, but its not like he can say 'I'm too busy running the country.' The 'ORLY then why so much time campaigning bro' ads write themselves.

He's a big boy. He'll be fine.
Right, he doesn't hafta say it. Almost like 'duh obvious' dontcha thunk?

      
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