Not categorizing retirees as freeloaders. Those who determined the monthly retirement payments must have been poor math students.

Now that you mention it- I haven't seen one that I can recall either (but that's not really shocking in Seattle and in the parts of Seattle in which I tend to be).

amazing stuff

Agree. (Referring to this, originally posted by FlyWf http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/18/op...oc.semityn.www )

Damn press, media, pollsters, and voters all in the bag for Obama.

Yeah, GJ not knowing what an Embassy does and why it is good to have them in foreign countries is a huge foreign policy gaffe and would have left him stabbed repeatedly in the stomach bleeding out in an ally, metaphorically speaking, if anyone cared what he said enough to have a follow up question.

Just wanted to quote the bestest Ikes post EVAR

if romney were ahead he would be backing him.

Great. So from now on you'll say 31% instead of 47% that don't pay taxes, right? Because those 16% on SS don't count.

Part of the problem with the Romney campaign is the actually thought that people and independents were "in love with" with Obama but not his policies so all they had to do was have the voters "break up" with him. So they ran an Obama sucks campaign while being completely vague on policy themselves. It came back to bite them when even their own party complained there was no substance.

I'll add on a theological note that Bishops in the Mormon church which Romney was one have a primary duty to the poor under their care. They are in charge of the funds to help the destitute and needy and the church places a big emphasis that bishops "take care of their flock" so to speak. Doesn't mention anywhere about treating them like losers and parasites.

Also this

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast....ubles-ctd.html

This election has been better than any reality tv, I've eaten a ridiculous amount of popcorn.

LolRmoney-his performance is reminding me somewhat of that south park episode where Obama and McCain are out to steal diamonds so McCain throws the election, although this time Romney is playing his part too well.

More footage dropping in a couple of hours.

That stuff was kind of floating around for a couple of months. I posted the Chinese factory part here a couple of days ago after seeing it on my Twitter feed. So, not that it matters much, but I think whoever took the footage managed to get a buyer, MoJo & NBC together maybe, after fishing it around for a while in different crappier forms and snippets.

The part that bothered me about the Romney statement was not the implication that he was unsympathetic to the less fortunate. It was the ridiculous assertion that he can't get the vote of the 47% who pay no income tax. At least a quarter of those people were planning to votefor him. Forgiveme if this has been brought up already

I don't think it's as much that RMoney couldn't get their votes as much as that he wanted the donors to understand he had no intention of representing those people, that they didn't count because they don't have money.


It's also, of course, the notion that "anyone who's not a ****ing leech would clearly support me, so my opponents supporters must all be ****ing leeches".

Romney can actually be pretty funny...

Respectfully...what part of the linked commentary suggests that GJ doesn't know what an Embassy does? Or that he doesn't recognize that there are any benefits of having an embassy (seems he believes that the practical downside and the $ cost of having an American presence in certain countries outweighs those benefits)?

Just because you or I strongly disagree with an opinion does not make it a gaffe. Just because an idea is well outside of the political mainstream does not make it a gaffe.

I'm pretty new to the Politics forum, so maybe this stuff is par for the course. But this seems like a rather childish way of dealing with an opinion you don't like (calling it a "gaffe;" marginalizing the messenger; etc). Let me post what GJ said last week in its entirety:

(Source: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/gov-g...g-libya-attack )

What part of this is a "gaffe" that "would have left him stabbed repeatedly in the stomach bleeding out in an ally, metaphorically speaking, if anyone cared what he said enough to have a follow up question?" Maybe I'm missing something here. Just seems like he was stating his foreign policy beliefs, ones which are pretty well in-step with Libertarian Party principles -- nothing too earth-shattering.

You know a huge percentage of the 47% not paying federal income taxes are living off their social security, right?

Should they have skin in the game again?

Or would that be taxing them twice?

Feel free to not answer this.

New video from the same fundraiser is out. It's Israel/Iran/foreign policy...

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...dle-east-peace

You do realize not everyone collecting SS paid into it don't you?

http://www.ssa.gov/ssi/text-eligibility-ussi.htm

You know, this kind of **** is embarrassing to watch in a way. And I'm not talking about the content of anything Rmoney says.

Mitt is up there yammering away in the new videos and these fatcats are barely listening to him, too busy shoveling their dinners into their maws. It doesn't look to me like anyone gives a ****. It's just Mitt's obligation to be there and put on this degrading act then collect the cheques.

And basically all of them have to do it. There's a billion different dinners and **** where an author or speaker is there doing the same damn thing every day trying to sell something or another but when it's someone running for council, Senate, or POTUS, it seems a bit ****ing demeaning.

I've been to a couple of these types of fundraising functions, lower level, but still. There's no real content or discussion at these things, it's just the flip-side of the mass rallies, shouting slogans, in 10,000 person arenas.

Decent townhall meetings, local constituency meetups, club & university events, (and even some internet forums, dare I say) are all about 100 times better for any real substantive discussions on the issues.

I'm guess I'm not exactly sorry for those who choose to put on that type of dog and pony show, they know what they're getting into.

I suppose that's all pretty obvious though.

lol politics, what a joke.

My favorite #RomneyEncore tweets so far

But there are literally dozens of good ones out there atm.

lol:

That's some steely resolve and foreign policy leadership right there.

The forum dictates everything. Even the presidential debates are awful because they can simply run over and not answer questions. In an event like a fundraiser, there isn't any real substance, it's not like Romney or Obama is going to go back and forth with someone like they do on, say, this forum.

I've learned much more in this forum than I have anywhere else when it comes to politics. Arguing your points makes you better understand both sides - and to be able to defend them. No matter what side you take you're going to be called on it.

Some (Ike), more than others.