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08-29-2012 , 09:06 AM

#11476

13ball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by raradevils

Not selective.....

I noticed you left out RR years?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_cr...idential_terms

Of course, Reagan didn't cut spending, which would have been a disaster.

Also, Reagan sort of lucked out because oil prices dropped enormously during his term. Since it was the high oil prices that had led to stagflation, all he needed to do was raise interest rates to get rid of inflation and the economy was ready to boom. Obama has not been so lucky and faces a deeper, different type of crisis.

(Of course Reagan didn't' actually raise rates, that was democrat and Carter appointee Paul Volcker.)

08-29-2012 , 09:08 AM

#11477

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We should also consider unemployment rates during presidential tenures not just jobs created.

http://www.multpl.com/unemployment/table

08-29-2012 , 09:08 AM

#11478

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Originally Posted by 74Offsuit

There are tons of smart people on this forum who are right wing on fiscal issues but most seem to be libertarian/AC types. I imagine this is due to the current GOP's policies WRT spending, wars and social issues.

I'll probably vote for Gary Johnson.

08-29-2012 , 09:08 AM

#11479

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You know what would be awesome? Asking people at the Republican convention about a few things Reagan did without mentioning his name.

"Would you be in favor of amnesty for illegal immigrants?"

"Would you be in favor of selling weapons to Iran?"

"Would you be in favor of withdrawing marines from bases if those bases are attacked by terrorists?"

Etc.

Reagan would be hated by the current party.

08-29-2012 , 09:11 AM

#11480

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Originally Posted by champstark

Reagan only "succeeded" because of what Carter did before him. Reagan is also a Democrat by today's fiscal policy standards.

Get real

I guess Clinton only succeeded because of Bush and RR before him?

08-29-2012 , 09:16 AM

#11481

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Brons

You know what would be awesome? Asking people at the Republican convention about a few things Reagan did without mentioning his name.

"Would you be in favor of amnesty for illegal immigrants?"

He made the mistake of not closing the border

"Would you be in favor of selling weapons to Iran?"

They war at war with Iraq at the time

"Would you be in favor of withdrawing marines from bases if those bases are attacked by terrorists?"

I was there off the coast when 241 Marines were killed because they were unarmed guards at the gates. Not his brightest move.

Etc.

Reagan would be hated by the current party.

Just like John Kennedy would be hated by the Dems.

08-29-2012 , 09:18 AM

#11482

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Originally Posted by raradevils

Get real

I guess Clinton only succeeded because of Bush and RR before him?

thats what most conservatives argue

08-29-2012 , 09:22 AM

#11483

neg3sd

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Quote:

Originally Posted by raradevils

Just like John Kennedy would be hated by the Dems.

During that election people were worried JFK would take orders directly from the Pope.

08-29-2012 , 09:29 AM

#11484

suzzer99

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Secret tunnel to the Vatican.

08-29-2012 , 09:29 AM

#11485

raradevils

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Low Key

thats what some conservatives argue

fyp

08-29-2012 , 09:39 AM

#11486

Tjmj90

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 74Offsuit

This, especially the ridik social issues stance

08-29-2012 , 09:49 AM

#11487

Paul McSwizzle

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofball

Mitt Romney though

this. he can't win. 4 more years, *******s

08-29-2012 , 12:17 PM

#11488

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Originally Posted by raradevils

You can step down from your ivory towers anytime now. So typical that dems think they are the smartest in the room. Yet they offer no practical solutions to complex problems, only theory.

Book smart doesn't mean you have lick of common sense.

Repoasted for hilarity.

08-29-2012 , 12:43 PM

#11489

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Quote:

Originally Posted by raradevils

Just like John Kennedy would be hated by the Dems.

Is that why they were desperate to call Obama the new Kennedy?

No, while the Dems have shifted, the Republicans have pretty much gone off the deep end and moved into extreme-right territory, there really is no comparison.

08-29-2012 , 12:54 PM

#11490

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Jamelle Bouie makes a good point about the "we built it" refrain: i.e., it fits into a broader narrative that is exclusionary.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...300b_blog.html

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Out of context, “you didn’t build that” sounds like an attack on private business. But taken in context, the meaning is clear — your business, successful or not, is partly dependent on public investments and a broader system which you didn’t build alone. Context aside, Republicans argue that their broader interpretation is correct — the president is hostile to “free enterprise.” Of course, that requires listeners to willfully disregard everything that came before the final sentence; regardless of how you spin the GOP’s take, it’s dishonest.

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But “we built it” isn’t just mendacious — it’s exclusionary. Over the last month, Mitt Romney and the GOP have committed themselves to a narrow definition of “we.” In an explicit pitch to working class whites, the Republican Party has resurrected welfare as a national issue, falsely attacking Obama for “gutting” the program and ending work requirements, with an implicit message — recognized by many — that Obama is taking from “you” and giving to “them.”

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Tom Edsall, a professor of journalism at Columbia University, noticed the same message in Romney’s Medicare ads, which hit Obama for taking from “your” Medicare and giving it to a program that’s “not for you.” Indeed, over the last week, Romney has, for all practical purposes, abandoned the pretense that he isn’t trying to capitalize on racial resentment. Over the weekend, he accused Obama of trying to “shore up his base” with the (fictional) welfare changes, saying that his action was “calculated to build support for him among people he wants to have excited about his reelection.” The Romney campaign has been called on this, repeatedly, but they refuse to budge — “we’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers,” said pollster Neil Newhouse.

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Given the GOP’s efforts to play on racial resentment, it’s hard not see a particular subtext to the spectacle the convention offers: throngs of older white Republicans, yelling that they built this country.

That’s not to say that “we built it” is racist — it isn’t. But you have to consider this riff in the broad context of the election. When looked at in light of all the other aspects of Romney’s Atwater-esque campaign, the “we” in “we built it” seems awfully narrow.

08-29-2012 , 12:57 PM

#11491

Jeedz

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Oh wow, that actually makes sense, especially with their other dog whistles in play.

08-29-2012 , 01:03 PM

#11492

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Just got this.

http://theppa.org/newsletters/2012/0...oker-08292012/

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Weekly Update from Rich Muny, VP of Player Relations

Due to the terrific efforts of the entire poker community, we have seen some nice victories, including the Department of Justice's revised interpretation of the scope of the Wire Act as not applicable to poker and the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York ruling in the U.S. v DiCristina case that poker is a game of skill and is not illegal gambling under the Illegal Gambling Businesses Act. We clearly have the momentum in this fight.

Unfortunately, as the saying goes, for every two steps forward, we do have the occasional step back. The step back to which I am referring was delivered by the 2012 Republican Party Platform Committee. The just-released GOP platform contains a plank calling for a ban on online poker. Here's the text, from page 32 in the section entitled Making the Internet Family-Friendly (view here):

"Millions of Americans suffer from problem or pathological gambling that can destroy families. We support the prohibition of gambling over the Internet and call for reversal of the Justice Department's decision distorting the formerly accepted meaning of the Wire Act that could open the door to Internet betting."

As we all know, the DoJ decision the plank calls for reversing is the very one that determined that the scope of the Wire Act does not include poker. Also, as we all know, our opponents are including poker in "gambling" activities they seek to ban. Some have even taken to calling the activity "poker gambling."

It is unfortunate that the authors of the plank are at odds with many House Republicans who are leading the charge for licensed and regulated online poker, but it is even worse that they are so out of touch with the actual voters. Let's all be sure to do our part through Election Day to ensure that all lawmakers understand where the people are on this important issue.

Good to see the party of small government standing firmly behind its principles.

Last edited by einbert; 08-29-2012 at 01:07 PM. Reason: Visit http://theppa.org/ for more information on the fight for online poker rights

08-29-2012 , 01:07 PM

#11493

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Not surprising. Here's hoping for a lame duck bill.

08-29-2012 , 01:07 PM

#11494

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Originally Posted by blager

Obama is the most obstinate non-compromiser I have seen in my lifetime. The media gives him a pass, but in truth he is the roadblock to compromise.

he's not even trying

08-29-2012 , 01:11 PM

#11495

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I'm not sure what this "we built it" narrative is about. But the obvious response to Obama's you didn't build that government-centric faux pas is to encourage everyone to say "I built it." Whatever "it" is, the electorate always responds well when they are given undue credit for their achievements. Another benefit to that is you shield it from elitism/racism/group think by removing the group aspect; the GOP needs (or needed) to go more narrow. This framing makes the opposition to you didn't build that about INDIVIDUAL liberty-- the politics are much better.

08-29-2012 , 01:25 PM

#11496

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeedz

Is that why they were desperate to call Obama the new RR?

No, while the Dems have shifted, the Republicans have pretty much gone off the deep end and moved into extreme-right territory, there really is no comparison.

fyp

08-29-2012 , 01:42 PM

#11497

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Republican Party Platform 2012

“Millions of Americans suffer from problem or pathological gambling that can destroy families. We support the prohibition of gambling over the Internet and call for reversal of the Justice Department’s decision distorting the formerly accepted meaning of the Wire Act that could open the door to Internet betting.”

Quote:

Originally Posted by Republican Party Platform 2012

"Gun ownership is responsible citizenship, enabling Americans to defend their homes and communities, [...] We condemn frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers and oppose federal licensing or registration of law-abiding gun owners."

http://thehill.com/images/stories/bl...opplatform.pdf

08-29-2012 , 01:47 PM

#11498

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The Romney campaign continues to impress with favorable optics.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/romney...8#.UD5NBUTeRhj

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Gov. Mitt Romney's campaign toasted its top donors Wednesday aboard a 150-foot yacht flying the flag of the Cayman Islands.
The floating party, hosted by a Florida developer on his yacht "Cracker Bay," was one of a dozen exclusive events meant to nurture those who have raised more than $1 million for Romney's bid.

"I think it's ironic they do this aboard a yacht that doesn't even pay its taxes," said a woman who lives aboard a much smaller boat moored at the St. Petersburg Municipal Marina.

A photo of the yacht.