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08-23-2012 , 03:22 PM
Does anyone have a figure for how many, or what percentage, of GOP house/senate members are against abortion w/o rape exception? Was discussing w a friend who assumed it was small but I am guessing it's more than half. Limited googling on phone is failing me though.
08-23-2012 , 03:28 PM
Considering their plank at the convention has left out a rape exception for at least 3 cycles I'd say it's more than 'small'
08-23-2012 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
Kidna excited that Gawker/AJ Daulerio are doing stuff like this. They have a lack of restraint and apparently amazing work ethic that can make for some fascinating and entertaining investigative journalism.

http://deadspin.com/5881346/dear-bri...ss-living-room
Looking forward to after the GOP convention when Rmoney taking the swiss banking amnesty gets leaked. Using my one time!
08-23-2012 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by kowboys4
Didn't take long for the VP Pick bounce to disparate and the Akin bump to take hold.
...which will be replaced by the GOP convention bounce, and that by the Democratic convention bounce, and that by the whatever gets pumped by the media the next week.


As I've stated before in this thread, the first good polls will come out around September 15th, after the summer and the conventions have been over for a while and non-political people start paying attention .
08-23-2012 , 04:45 PM
The Conservative Psyche: How Ordinary People Come to Embrace Paul Ryan's Cruelty

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Earlier this year, Democratic operatives looking for the best way to define Mitt Romney discovered something interesting about Paul Ryan's budget. The New York Times reported that when the details of his proposals were run past focus groups, they found that the plan is so cruel that voters “ simply refused to believe any politician would do such a thing.

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But more recently, psychological research – and some neurobiological studies – have found something else: Liberals and conservatives don't just differ in their opinions, they have fundamentally different ways of processing information, which in turn leads them to hold markedly divergent sets of facts.

Even more frustrating for those who view politics as a rational pursuit of one's self-interest, facts don't actually matter that much. We begin evaluating policies emotionally, according to a deeply ingrained moral framework, and then our brains often work backward, filling in – or inventing -- “facts” that conform to that framework.



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For the Fox News crowd, the circuitry of conservative moralism is charged again and again every day. “When one of those circuits is activated over and over, more than the other, the stronger it gets and the weaker the inactive one gets,” said Lakoff. “The stronger one of these circuits gets, the more influence it’s going to have over various issues.”



Shutting Down the Thinking Brain



Princeton psychologist Daniel Kahneman refined earlier theories about how the brain functions on two levels – one instinctive and very quick, the other slower and more deliberate. He described the first as intuitive processing, or “system one cognition,” and the other as a process of reasoning, or “system two cognition.”



And the key point here is it appears that when system one is active, system two shuts down. Or, to put it another way, when we perceive an issue in emotional terms (system one), we make a quick judgment in which we don't think much about the details. This is common in our daily lives, but takes on real signifigance in our political culture, and while this tendency isn't limited to a particular ideology, some research suggests that political conservatives are more likely to rely on the kind of snap judgments associated with system one cognition than liberals.



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Everyone does this, but some research suggests that political conservatives, perhaps because they are more set in their views, and more averse to cognitive dissonance, tend to display more motivated reasoning than liberals.



When you hear someone like Paul Ryan proposing, for example, to shift $4,700 in health costs onto the backs of seniors living at the poverty level by 2022, it's important to understand that the consequences of those actions – the factual, real-world results of these policies – are often inconsequential to like-minded people on the Right not because they're (necessarily) bad people, but for the simple reason that the consequences don't register. 


While a half-dozen analyses paint a sharp picture of the cruelty inherent in the Ryan plan, it is this process of motivated reasoning that allows conservatives to simply block out any details that contradict their ideas about the need to avoid fostering a “culture of dependency.”


And here, one of the apparent differences between conservative and liberal cognitive styles comes into play: the “backfire effect.” The term was coined by political scientists Brendan Nyhan and Jason Reifler, who found that when conservatives' erroneous beliefs were confronted by factual rebuttals, they tended to double-down on those beliefs. The same dynamic wasn't observed with liberals (they weren't entirely swayed by the facts, but didn't show the same tendency to believe false information more strongly after being presented with them).
The thing I bolded above is basically why the Big Lie is more effective than a little one. Everyone lies a little. But most conservatives I know simply refuse to believe that republicans would turn on their own idea of insurance mandates just to spite Obama. Or that they would enact voter ID laws for no reason than the disenfranchise minorities.

I have gone round and round with the conservatives on my mailing list about voter ID. I've laid it out so simple a 2-year-old could follow - and they just won't accept it. And they aren't dumb people. Sunday and early voting restrictions are state issues. Voter ID laws are legitimately about fraud. Lack of restrictions on absentee ballots means nothing. ALEC can be ignored. None of these things are related - all can be discounted independently. All of the tiny or non-existent evidence about voter fraud means infinitely more than all of the evidence that this is about disenfranchisement.

And of course - I'm a bedwetting liberal for being able to see the most transparent thing imaginable. I even linked them to my epic meter-maid debates. They think I'm leveling them.
08-23-2012 , 04:48 PM
Voter ID laws are also used to curb voting fraud.
08-23-2012 , 04:52 PM
Wat. Is this a typo?

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Mr Romney has close ties to oil executives and is reported to have raised $7bn from the industry through Texas fundraisers this week.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19361292
08-23-2012 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray Horton
Voter ID laws are also used to curb voting fraud.
Which barely exists and doesn't exist at all in the form that voter ID will prevent. 10 cases of voter impersonation in the whole country since 2000.

And if it had why freak about it right after a black man won the presidency the first time? Why not give people another 4 years to put initiatives in place etc.? Remember this is the party that has been studying health care plans for 30 years. But voter fraud, gotta rush that into existence NOW - evidence or no.
08-23-2012 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99

That quote doesn't appear in the article?
08-23-2012 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray Horton
Voter ID laws are also used to curb voting.
FYP.

What was it...10 (TEN) documented cases of actual voter impersonation fraud in the entire nation in the last 12 years.

Yup, that's egregious enough to disenfranchise a few million voters.
08-23-2012 , 04:59 PM


They really are funny people though.
08-23-2012 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
That quote doesn't appear in the article?
I saw it, they might have taken it out because it was LDO wrong
08-23-2012 , 05:04 PM
nm, still there:

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Mr Romney has close ties to oil executives and is reported to have raised $7bn from the industry through Texas fundraisers this week.
08-23-2012 , 05:11 PM
Anarchists may try to disrupt Repub and Demo Conventions

Storm has better chance to disrupt RNC.
08-23-2012 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
I saw it, they might have taken it out because it was LDO wrong
It has been changed to 7m. I searched on 7 and I swear it wasn't there. Could have been part of the correction, I dunno.
08-23-2012 , 05:50 PM
Team Obama again decides on the **** move unlike previous candidates.

Team Obama breaks precedent to try to spoil Romney’s convention in Tampa

Bucking protocol, President Obama and the Democrats are planning a full-scale assault on Republicans next week during their convention.

Presidential candidates have traditionally kept a low profile during their opponent's nominating celebration, but Democrats are throwing those rules out the window in an attempt to spoil Mitt Romney’s coronation as the GOP nominee.
08-23-2012 , 05:56 PM
Confirmed most butthurt campaign ever.
08-23-2012 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by blager
Team Obama again decides on the **** move unlike previous candidates.

Team Obama breaks precedent to try to spoil Romney’s convention in Tampa

Bucking protocol, President Obama and the Democrats are planning a full-scale assault on Republicans next week during their convention.

Presidential candidates have traditionally kept a low profile during their opponent's nominating celebration, but Democrats are throwing those rules out the window in an attempt to spoil Mitt Romney’s coronation as the GOP nominee.
Lol, so much for Hope & Change.
08-23-2012 , 06:02 PM
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08-23-2012 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
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It's all good. But I do worry that we are going to have two years just like the last two years and this campaign is not helping. Maybe the Dems convention will be more inspiring and policy laden.
08-23-2012 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by blager
Team Obama again decides on the **** move unlike previous candidates.

Team Obama breaks precedent to try to spoil Romney’s convention in Tampa

Bucking protocol, President Obama and the Democrats are planning a full-scale assault on Republicans next week during their convention.

Presidential candidates have traditionally kept a low profile during their opponent's nominating celebration, but Democrats are throwing those rules out the window in an attempt to spoil Mitt Romney’s coronation as the GOP nominee.
Precedents concerning party convections = Sacred?
Precedents concerning financial tax transparency = ???
08-23-2012 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuban B
Precedents concerning party convections = Sacred?
Precedents concerning financial tax transparency = ???

Lol.
08-23-2012 , 06:09 PM
DNC will be policy (osama bin) laden
08-23-2012 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Lol, so much for Hope & Change.
08-23-2012 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Which barely exists and doesn't exist at all in the form that voter ID will prevent. 10 cases of voter impersonation in the whole country since 2000.

And if it had why freak about it right after a black man won the presidency the first time? Why not give people another 4 years to put initiatives in place etc.? Remember this is the party that has been studying health care plans for 30 years. But voter fraud, gotta rush that into existence NOW - evidence or no.
I guess you don't live in NJ where the common phrase is "vote early and vote often" because dead people still vote on election days in this state.

Why if you need ID to travel is it so hard to get ID to vote. I feel disenfranchised because there is no voter ID in place. You say there was 10 cases, does that mean only 10 were found or proven?

      
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