Like, this doesn't work because if you're in the ****ing hospital you aren't really in prime position to negotiate on price or be like "sorry, your prices suck, I'm going to the hospital across town instead".

How do you not understand this? Why do you post so much without knowing what you're talking about?

You know what other emergency would be improved by taking the time to bargain? Fires. Wouldn’t it be awesome if your house was on fire and you could take the time to call all the competing fire departments to find out who would charge you the least amount?

I mean sure, reaction time and distance traveled would be severely impacted, but since when have those things been important for emergencies?

Mods, please for good mojo do not change the thread title until the reconcilliation deadline passes. Thank you.

I'm one of the few people who actually believes you when you say you voted for Clinton, and my god, I literally facepalm basically every time I read one your posts.

x100000, and please make it something good once 10/1 gets here

lol he has said and done absolutely nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt wrt "voting for hillary"

It’s all profits for the companies in those market segments. Pharmaceutical companies and medical device companies in the form of straight profiteering and non profit hospitals reinvesting money in sometimes really silly stuff (hospital by me spent a lot of money on a giant zen rock garden).

The problem is the healthcare arena is not conducive to competitive forces so you basically have unchecked profiteering in all three of those segments.

Okay.

I didn't say he's obviously telling the truth, I just said I believe he's telling the truth. You don't have to believe him.

“I personally think it’s time for the American people to see what the Democrats have done to them on health care,” said Senate Finance Committee Chairman Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah). “They’re going to find they can’t pay for it, they’re going to find that it doesn’t work. . . . Now that will make it tough on everybody. Maybe that’s what it take to wise people up.”

Orrin Hatch is such a cock. "We won't work to fund this and people are really going to hurt financially then. Then they'll see." Stupid cock, your group has the ability to work on funding now. This is your fault

Heh wittle baby so sad. It's over TITLE CHANGE NOW!!!!

Republicans just chub right the **** up at imagining different ways people will die from being screwed by health insurance

Amazing that Republicans have the ability to fix healthcare to make it better for people and their most cynical political move yet is to not fix it and push the blame on the Democrats until the people will take basically anything that's handed to them no matter how ****ed up it is.

This issue will go nowhere. It'll be like every other issue that comes up in every election: never solved and used as a weapon to bludgeon opponents.

PArt of the problem for insurers has been that congress is waffling so much on this, right? Like, that kind of uncertainty can’t be good for a business with as many regulations as insurance.

That's most of the problem. The uncertainty gets baked into their actuarial models and rates get jacked up as a result. The insurers have come right out and said this.

Here's how the debate went

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...simple-reason/

time to update the title, Rs saying they're giving up for the year

Unfortunately I was barely paying attention, but there was a news blurb about a proposed bill to have single payer for the state of Florida. Is this a real possibility, that a state might do this? Would it require some hefty increase in taxes for that state?

I haven't seen or heard anything for Florida. A state might do it, but that would be California or Hawaii.

The per person spending on health care in the US is the highest in the world. Single payer would result in lower health care spending. Yes, it would take a tax. However that tax would take in less than individuals and organizations are spending now. Some people would win and some would lose.

I think single payer would be good for business even if they face a lot of the tax. Today every company that offers health care has a significant expense in providing health care. They have to be able to make widgets and buy health care. Just cutting a check saves them from overhead and risk.

+1

The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 296: The quest to repeal a pre-existing condition

See y'all in a couple months.

When 10/1 rolls around, I propose...

The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 236: The Failed Repeal Efforts of Mitch, Cassidy, and the Dotard Kid

this is quite solid. maybe we should get a few options and put together a poll

^too much of a permanence implied there, it's not like they wont try again at some point