The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court - Page 910 - Politics and Economics

Like, if your line is somewhere between something as bad as this and something 110% as bad, what the **** does that say about you as a human? "Kicking 22 million people off their healthcare was okay, but 25 million? I had to put my foot down and stand up for the right thing!"

Don't be silly, no one's being kicked off their insurance, they're all just choosing to be uninsured according to Paul Ryan:

06-27-2017 , 08:27 AM

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AllTheCheese

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I mean, it's hard for me to swallow, because I really cannot fathom the calculus of a man who allows a non-evil law to remain in place because the evil law being proposed is not evil enough, but...

Politico is reporting that the Senate has given up on trying to bring Rand Paul to yes.

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White House officials said they were increasingly looking to Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) — and if the two maintained their opposition, the bill was likely dead. Senate leadership has largely written off Paul, and a Trump outside group has begun attacking Heller, drawing some head-scratching from Senate aides.

06-27-2017 , 08:45 AM

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champstark

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What's hard for me to understand is why McConnell even put this thing out. Dude is one of the best political operators of all-time. Why is he willingly taking such a beating on this? He had to have known how adamant the opposition would be (0% chance he didn't talk to Heller, Collins, Rand, etc. about it before it was released). I don't get it unless he has some end game where this **** gets passed, or he's trying to screw over Trump and/or Ryan somehow.

06-27-2017 , 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

If it comes down to either of them being the 50th vote, absolutely. If they are well short of votes, then they might vote against for show (especially Rand).

I can't see McConnell making the vote happen without 50 locks though.

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

McConnell is going to do some nonsense tiny buyout amendments and get all of these guys to yes by next week.

This. These guys are looking for some political fig leaf to cover their vote. They will get it.

06-27-2017 , 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by champstark

They can make some tiny adjustments and the media will report that they are big concessions and make the bill a lot better. Everything will be relatively smooth sailing at that point.

06-27-2017 , 09:38 AM

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That or they'll throw up their hands at Dem "obstruction" killing their great bill and just go back to making sure Obamacare fails.

06-27-2017 , 09:41 AM

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awval999

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Originally Posted by champstark

It could just be as simply as being able to tell Trump, Ryan, the House Freedom Caucus, that:

"I tried #shouldershrug"

06-27-2017 , 09:51 AM

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McConnell has to put something out and give it a real effort for the donors. It's not about telling Paul Ryan "I tried." It's about telling Charles Koch.

06-27-2017 , 09:53 AM

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SuperUberBob

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

McConnell is going to do some nonsense tiny buyout amendments and get all of these guys to yes by next week.

Yes. See Ben Nelson and Obamacare for what will happen with the holdouts.

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Originally Posted by simplicitus

Bill is dead imo.

Not even close. This thing will be resurrected constantly over the next 4 years until something passes.

06-27-2017 , 09:53 AM

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Either he doesn't actually want it to pass or he thinks it's an unwinnable battle and he wants to get it over with so he can move on to passing tax reform.

06-27-2017 , 10:31 AM

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hacksaw JD

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Originally Posted by champstark

this is the entire republican grift. it's no different than most of their stupid "think tanks" that just transfer money from billionaires into the pockets of people with stupid ideas that will never see the light of day.

06-27-2017 , 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Klingbard

Now it's just about a certainty that this is not happening this week:

https://twitter.com/DanaBashCNN/stat...05016150790145

JFC the freedom caucus doesn't like this turd? Odds of anything passing just went down a couple of ticks.

https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/879504551715450887

How about that, people's lives could be saved by members who actually want not just them to die, but more of their neighbors too.

06-27-2017 , 10:43 AM

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If the current senate bill passes, since the house and senate bills are different, don't they have to modify them in committee to make them the same and then have the house and senate re-vote on them?

06-27-2017 , 10:53 AM

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They can snap vote on the senate bill.

06-27-2017 , 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Money2Burn

They will both vote for it.

In its current form nope. Rand Paul definitely won't vote for a bill with the subsidies.

Rand On Subsidies

Quote:

“When we look at the bill, we actually find that with the ObamaCare subsidies, not only are we keeping them, we may actually be providing more subsidies than ObamaCare has,” Sen. Paul said on Fox News’ “Your World” with Neil Cavuto.

The Kentucky senator wants to apply leverage to make the bill look better and move away from subsidizing health insurance companies.

“We should be for repeal but we also have to have sufficient confidence in capitalism, competition and free markets,” Paul said.

Rand Paul Supports Repeal of Obamacare

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“If they cannot get 50 votes, if they get to impasse, I’ve been telling leadership for months now I’ll vote for a repeal,” the Kentucky Republican said on ABC’s “This Week.”
“And it doesn’t have to be 100 percent repeal,” said Mr. Paul. “So, for example, I’m for 100 percent repeal, that’s what I want. But if you offer me 90 percent repeal, I’d probably would vote it. I might vote for 80 percent repeal.”

If you care to actually gain some knowledge of where Senator Paul stands on the issue:
Rand Paul's Obamacare Replacement Act

Keep in mind too that Senator Paul is a medical doctor and he understands the health care system in the US well. We really need more Senators like him.

06-27-2017 , 11:09 AM

#22741

tomdemaine

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22,000,000 people losing healthcare? Not evil enough say republicans. Rand Paul will not vote for a bill unless he personally can go around the country punching poor people in the nuts over and over.

06-27-2017 , 11:10 AM

#22742

Loki

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House must be furious that fewer lives will be destroyed by this bill

06-27-2017 , 11:16 AM

#22743

champstark

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Originally Posted by adios

Keep in mind too that Senator Paul is a medical doctor and he understands the health care system in the US well. We really need more Senators like him.

LOL.

Did you see the AMA say this bill violates the ****ing Hippocratic Oath?

06-27-2017 , 11:32 AM

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GET ER DONE

06-27-2017 , 11:38 AM

#22745

Namath12

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Gotta stop with these truth leaks imo

06-27-2017 , 11:55 AM

#22746

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nope. they're conspiring to strip healthcare away from ~25 million people so that their donors can pocket a few extra meaningless dollars. a tremendous amount of people will suffer and die all because of what they're doing. they can't claim ignorance, and they can't shirk responsibility for it. they are human waste and should be thrown in the garbage dump to rot

06-27-2017 , 12:07 PM

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markksman

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Originally Posted by Namath12

GET ER DONE

Guarantee trump says something doubly insane about healthcare in next 32 hours.

06-27-2017 , 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by adios

In its current form nope. Rand Paul definitely won't vote for a bill with the subsidies.

Rand On Subsidies

Rand Paul Supports Repeal of Obamacare
If you care to actually gain some knowledge of where Senator Paul stands on the issue:
Rand Paul's Obamacare Replacement Act

Keep in mind too that Senator Paul is a medical doctor and he understands the health care system in the US well. We really need more Senators like him.

Sounds like if Paul voted for this he would have his medical license revoked.

06-27-2017 , 12:09 PM

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iron81

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Who would be the best Senator to assassinate? Should probably be one the Dems can appoint a replacement.

06-27-2017 , 12:15 PM

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It seems to me that this will go the same way as the House bill.

They apparently lost Collins and Heller already. Johnson is clearly putting on a show so they will buy him off. Murkowsky and Capito have been mum afaik. But Rand Paul is serious. The donors are serious. Thus, the correct play - in the cynical sense of passing a right wing bill into law - is as it was in the House to turn further to the right and pay off the moderates with some of the savings that result from leaving an even greater number of Americans uninsured.

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