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The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court

06-26-2017 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Wat?

I thought rand was part of the "this isn't mean enough" caucus
He said he wouldn't vote on something less mean = he will vote on something meaner
06-26-2017 , 08:57 PM


https://twitter.com/sethdmichaels/st...03222884503560
06-26-2017 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
He said he wouldn't vote on something less mean = he will vote on something meaner
Derp

Has anyone loled at McCain for his deep disturbance over the health care bill, but refusal to say he'll vote against it?
06-26-2017 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Derp

Has anyone loled at McCain for his deep disturbance over the health care bill, but refusal to say he'll vote against it?
he actually said he will vote for it. he's def concerned tho!
06-26-2017 , 10:28 PM
I just wrote McCain. I was polite of course, but it wasn't easy.
06-26-2017 , 10:37 PM
I think ultimately they will pass it.

Collins, Heller, Murkowski are the only real possibility of voting no. Rob Johnson just got elected, so he is an easy yes. Lee, Rand and Cruz are totally full of ****.
Portman also just got elected.

They will let two of them vote no. They will probably promise Heller a huge war chest and if he loses his seat there will be a nice 7 figure job waiting for him.

It is getting passed. They will figure out how to blame it on the n-word president down the road.
06-26-2017 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
I just wrote McCain. I was polite of course, but it wasn't easy.
Please tell us you used the words "troubled" and "disturbed" several times in the letter.
06-26-2017 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
I think ultimately they will pass it.

Collins, Heller, Murkowski are the only real possibility of voting no. Rob Johnson just got elected, so he is an easy yes. Lee, Rand and Cruz are totally full of ****.
Portman also just got elected.

They will let two of them vote no. They will probably promise Heller a huge war chest and if he loses his seat there will be a nice 7 figure job waiting for him.

It is getting passed. They will figure out how to blame it on the n-word president down the road.
Yeah, I agree. I don't know which two will be allowed to vote no. But I think we're looking at a 51-50 vote.
06-26-2017 , 10:48 PM
Remember when Dems were singing "Na Na Na Na" on the floor of the House? That look has not aged well, as the kids say.
06-26-2017 , 11:26 PM
It looked terrible while they were doing it.
06-26-2017 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Klingbard
i'd say i'm 90% sure nothing passes this week. Maybe more. I really don't think Rand is ever going to vote for this or anything less "mean."
Now it's just about a certainty that this is not happening this week:



https://twitter.com/DanaBashCNN/stat...05016150790145


JFC the freedom caucus doesn't like this turd? Odds of anything passing just went down a couple of ticks.



https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/879504551715450887
06-27-2017 , 12:07 AM
Lindsey Graham: “You’re not gonna get 49. You’re either gonna get 50 or probably 35.” https://t.co/mjuv2GE0m3 via @politicalwire
06-27-2017 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Some value yes. But not enough if there is even a fairly small chance that the person you are criticizing doesn't deserve it.

The more general point is that you risk losing people on the fence not because you insult them but rather because you were erroneous. Most people don't know enough about issues to decide for themselves. Instead they rely on what they hear from those who are debating those issues. So if one side says that 2+2=5 (instead of the world's greatest internet site) or that Trump advocates sexual assault (instead of merely bragging that some woman throw themselves at him), they start to think that those people might be wrong about the issue in question as well.
The level of hot-take density in this post is truly astounding. This post could literally melt steel beams.
06-27-2017 , 12:26 AM
Just like they said it would never pass the house. The billionaires want this. Badly.
06-27-2017 , 01:57 AM
Yes I am also skeptical that it will fail. They will tweak the bill and twist some arms, but McConnell will get his 50 votes.
06-27-2017 , 02:04 AM
This is so ****ing depressing.

Not sure why they can't just cut taxes, run up a deficit, and leave people's healthcare alone.

I also am pretty skeptical that this ends any way other than 50+1 in the Senate and then arm twisting in the house.
06-27-2017 , 02:22 AM
It's a sick ****ing world we live in where the rich steal from the poor and use the government to do so.
06-27-2017 , 04:41 AM
It'd be nice if the media would do their job better and stop normalizing this ****.
06-27-2017 , 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Lindsey Graham: “You’re not gonna get 49. You’re either gonna get 50 or probably 35.” https://t.co/mjuv2GE0m3 via @politicalwire
That tells you they know how bad of a bill it is. If they know it's not passing, they're going to lose a third of their own party on it. I agree with those who think this passes... The big time donors want it, and this is America, where the big time donors get what they want.

They may continue to make it worse to appease the freedom caucus, but with "mavericks," like McCain towing the party line, they're not going to lose any moderates that they aren't already losing.

Like, if your line is somewhere between something as bad as this and something 110% as bad, what the **** does that say about you as a human? "Kicking 22 million people off their healthcare was okay, but 25 million? I had to put my foot down and stand up for the right thing!"

No, any "moderate," (not even a remotely accurate word... frauderate? MINO?) who is gritting their teeth and voting for this **** sandwich of a bill is going to eat as much **** as they shovel into it. So they only need to worry about one of Heller, Murkowski and Collins and the hard right in the Senate and the freedom caucus in the House... and as I've been saying, they'll go after Heller with threats of primaries, cutting off campaign funding etc, and then lure him in with offers of extra campaign funding.

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Originally Posted by goofball
This is so ****ing depressing.

Not sure why they can't just cut taxes, run up a deficit, and leave people's healthcare alone.

I also am pretty skeptical that this ends any way other than 50+1 in the Senate and then arm twisting in the house.
I think 50+1 could work against them quite a bit in '18 and '20, too. "This bill was so bad their own party couldn't even pass it without Pence breaking the tie."
06-27-2017 , 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
I think ultimately they will pass it.

Collins, Heller, Murkowski are the only real possibility of voting no. Rob Johnson just got elected, so he is an easy yes. Lee, Rand and Cruz are totally full of ****.
Portman also just got elected.

They will let two of them vote no. They will probably promise Heller a huge war chest and if he loses his seat there will be a nice 7 figure job waiting for him.

It is getting passed. They will figure out how to blame it on the n-word president down the road.
Rand is a definite no. He's not for this bill period. Mike Lee not sure but probably a no. Pretty sure Lee is as solid a no as Rand.
06-27-2017 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Rand is a definite no. He's not for this bill period. Mike Lee not sure but probably a no. Pretty sure Lee is as solid a no as Rand.
They will both vote for it.
06-27-2017 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
They will both vote for it.
If it comes down to either of them being the 50th vote, absolutely. If they are well short of votes, then they might vote against for show (especially Rand).

I can't see McConnell making the vote happen without 50 locks though.
06-27-2017 , 07:39 AM
Ron Johnson can eat a bag of dicks, **** them out, then eat the feces. His dumb ****ing face is on every talk show blabbing about how he's not to yes blah blah blah. **** off, nobody is buying it.
06-27-2017 , 07:45 AM
McConnell is going to do some nonsense tiny buyout amendments and get all of these guys to yes by next week.
06-27-2017 , 08:09 AM
Bill is dead imo.

      
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