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The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court

05-04-2017 , 10:22 AM


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05-04-2017 , 11:17 AM
A libertarian think tank leader weighs in on the trouble with our healthcare system: "The overvaluation of human life."



https://twitter.com/tylercowen/statu...27775356837888
05-04-2017 , 11:21 AM
Update on my bone infection: After 5 weeks of getting IV antibiotics every day, they finally allowed me to stop that and move to the oral type only. I also got scanned and fitted by the prosthodontist for the teeth implants I'll be getting to replace the ones I lost, but apparently that procedure won't be finalized for almost a year as I have to have three more surgeries, including one to graft new bone into the area where the infection was, which they apparently source from my hip. Finally incurred some charges though as the prosthodontist is only partially covered by my insurance, so I had to pay about $80 for the initial visit. Total out of pocket costs are still less than $100 though, as I've only had to pay for that visit and prescriptions, and my parking heist went pretty much the entire five weeks without having to pay a nickel.

I also dug up some of the paperwork of the employer based plan I had when I lived in New Jersey and it looks like my out of pocket costs for this condition there would have been in the range of $6,000, plus there's no way they would've paid for my tooth implants so I'd be looking at having to finance another $10,000 for that, minimum. So $16k for living in USA#1 vs maybe $150 all in for living in commie Canada. Love to hear someone try to explain why anyone would go for that.

As a further observation, one thing spending time in the health care system shows you is just how random it all is. Going into the clinic on a regular basis you see all the people in there being treated for infections and there's literally no rhyme or reason to why they're there like at all. Old, young, black, white, thing, fat, healthy, sickly, rich, poor the bugs don't give a crap. They come for everybody. Or in my case roughly 2 in 10,000 of us. Bad luck to get it, good luck to live in a place where they look after you when it happens. Overvaluing human life is a good thing when it's yours.
05-04-2017 , 11:30 AM
It's not just them jamming this through without people understanding it. It's a large percentage of people not caring if people die as long as their premiums are down. how great is that?
05-04-2017 , 12:05 PM
It is infuriating yet unsurprising that it takes Jimmy Kimmel talking for people to give a **** about this stuff.
05-04-2017 , 12:07 PM
Good luck with everything, dino.
05-04-2017 , 12:15 PM
I mean, these mother****ers are literally going to vote to say GETTING RAPED is a pre existing condition! This **** matters! Pay attention America!
05-04-2017 , 12:22 PM
I still have no idea how this bill or anything resembling it could possibly get through a Senate Filibuster.
05-04-2017 , 12:28 PM
Well I had no idea how we would elect a demented narcissistic ****** president but here we are
05-04-2017 , 12:29 PM
Surely we've learned that "no way THAT happens" isn't a good way to roll these days
05-04-2017 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mayo
Good luck with everything, dino.
+1, glad it's going well and that you're in a place where society actually gives a **** about you
05-04-2017 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
I still have no idea how this bill or anything resembling it could possibly get through a Senate Filibuster.
There isn't a senate filibuster whenever R's want.

Also, guess what else this bill does. GOP Health Bill Jeopardizes Out-of-Pocket Caps in Employer Plans

what does that mean you ask?

Quote:
Insurers in states that obtain the waivers could be freed from a regulation mandating that they cover 10 particular types of health services, among them maternity care, prescription drugs, mental health treatment and hospitalization.
in other words, your business ain't covering **** anymore on your healthcare, gl people.
05-04-2017 , 12:30 PM
BREAKING FROM WSJ: AHCA allows employers a backdoor to impose a lifetime cap on benefits and lift the out of pocket maximums for employees, by relocating to states that waive those protections.

McCarthy just denied it to Dana Bash on CNN.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/little-...ans-1493890203
05-04-2017 , 12:41 PM
The LA Times says the exchange market in Iowa is being hurt by a single patient.
http://www.latimes.com/business/hilt...424-story.html
05-04-2017 , 12:42 PM
Any chance at all a Republican senator in danger of being ousted stands against this bill?
05-04-2017 , 12:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by master3004
Any chance at all a Republican senator in danger of being ousted stands against this bill?
I was thinking maybe Heller, who's up for re-election in Nevada in '18. He should be susceptible to pressure from constituents. But, that only gets it to 51.
05-04-2017 , 12:56 PM
Franken going IN
05-04-2017 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
I was thinking maybe Heller, who's up for re-election in Nevada in '18. He should be susceptible to pressure from constituents. But, that only gets it to 51.
Yeah you're right. There is no possibility of a 3 point swing
05-04-2017 , 01:07 PM
I think Portman (OH) would have a hard time voting in favor of the bill, but he's not up for reelection until 2022.
05-04-2017 , 01:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
I still have no idea how this bill or anything resembling it could possibly get through a Senate Filibuster.
Rules don't apply to Republicans.
05-04-2017 , 01:10 PM
John Conyers is a straight boss, dat suit
05-04-2017 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Yeah you're right. There is no possibility of a 3 point swing
Not based on election politics in 2018. Maybe a couple moderates won't vote for it on principle. Perhaps Cory Gardner in Colorado or Susan Collins in Maine.

The first time around, Collins, Heller, Lee and Paul opposed it. But Lee and Paul were because it wasn't going far enough. Maybe they still feel that way, but I doubt it. So you're hoping for Collins and Heller, then you need Gardner to come along too. Possibly Portman, Capito or Murkowski, who had expressed some concern over the first bill... But my guess is those three get in line.

The only other long shot I see is Rubio, based on presidential ambitions. Voting for this could disqualify you from the presidency in 2024 once people see what a disaster it is.

That said, they may re-work the bill in the Senate and make it passable. However, I have a lot of questions as to whether this can fall under reconciliation and avoid the filibuster. I'm not so sure.
05-04-2017 , 01:13 PM
This has got to be one of the worst major pieces of legislation ever considered by the U.S. Congress, at least in the modern era.


https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/859947199240822785
05-04-2017 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
+1, glad it's going well and that you're in a place where society actually gives a **** about you
Likewise. It's a weird feeling sitting here with pre-existing conditions right now, feeling like society wants me to **** off and die as cheaply as possible. Sure, a majority oppose this bill, but not vehemently enough to stop it... And everyone who voted for Trump or stayed home either approved of, or tacitly approved of, this bill.

As a middle class white guy, I think this is as close as I've ever come to understanding how minorities feel in America.

      
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