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The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court

03-22-2017 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnEPark
Can someone explain why the GOP wouldn't simply pass this bill and then lie about the effects of it once they start to occur? They've already clearly demonstrated that their constituents will literally believe anything. Why couldn't they pass this and then just blame the results on Obama?
Their constituents only believe **** that doesn't impact them or that doesn't exist, like transgender predators in bathrooms and ****. They do actually believe in reality when it slaps them in the face, like losing health insurance.
03-22-2017 , 07:31 PM
<wondering what I said that made suzzer block me>
03-22-2017 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnEPark
Can someone explain why the GOP wouldn't simply pass this bill and then lie about the effects of it once they start to occur? They've already clearly demonstrated that their constituents will literally believe anything. Why couldn't they pass this and then just blame the results on Obama?
Actually, what we're seeing is that their constituents are flooding their townhalls and voicemail boxes over this. They are legit worried about their re-election chances if they take away everyone's healthcare.
03-22-2017 , 07:52 PM
Maybe they could blame it on Benghazi? I don't see God fearing gun toting true patriots ever disgracing themselves enough to vote for a Dem.

Aren't all those protestors at the town halls paid anyway? That's the GOP line.
03-22-2017 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnEPark
Maybe they could blame it on Benghazi? I don't see God fearing gun toting true patriots ever disgracing themselves enough to vote for a Dem.

Aren't all those protestors at the town halls paid anyway? That's the GOP line.
Look back at some of the old 538 articles from 2008 where that one dude went around talking to voters in the boonies. "We're voting for the n*****!" It can happen, but not when they are relatively comfortable.
03-22-2017 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by LastLife
Why there will never be single payer:

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...=rep1&type=pdf
I don't see how trade agreement services clauses inhibit implementing single payer. I don't know what US insurance providers are owned by foreign companies but if they took away primary insurance service from all health insurance providers I don't see those agreements being a serious impediment. Most of those countries we have those agreements with don't even have that industry in the scope the US does.

I just don't see it as a serious roadblock. Plus Trump can just blow up the WTO.
03-22-2017 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Supposedly Trump said in a closed meeting that he will go on the offensive if they vote against it.
Probably tweet for Russia to hack their emails.
03-22-2017 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnEPark
Can someone explain why the GOP wouldn't simply pass this bill and then lie about the effects of it once they start to occur? They've already clearly demonstrated that their constituents will literally believe anything. Why couldn't they pass this and then just blame the results on Obama?
That's basically their plan.
03-22-2017 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
It will be close. Parties are very good at getting party members who are on the fence to vote along party lines. They will start giving individual representatives their own say or promise of supporting another bill or campaign in the future. These are all closed down sessions so we will never know.

The representatives who were publicly against get to go back to their constituents and say they single-handedly got "xyz" in bill (i.e., exemption for farmers with less than 100 employees.)

What a system. I hope we get to see the bill before it goes to the Senate.
The one twist is they know it is DOA in the senate and any version passed by the senate would likely be better (but not likely close to accept) for citizens. So then they would have to go back and vote again on a better bill but then vote against it because they really didn't want it to pass to begin with. It is a silly system but there are so many different motivations and levels it's going to be messy, I'm not convinced Ryan thinks this is the template for what actual passable legislation will be.
03-22-2017 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
That's basically their plan.
This
03-22-2017 , 08:15 PM
I believe the phrase for this is "useful idiot."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...440_story.html

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One surprising holdout was Rep. Lou Barletta (R-Pa.), who was among the first House members to endorse Trump and has emerged as one of his most stalwart backers. But he is a hard-liner on illegal immigration and cited the issue Tuesday in opposing the bill.

The tax credits offered under the GOP plan, he said, could be claimed by an individual who is not “lawfully in this country and eligible to receive them.”

“I would have a hard time explaining to families in the 11th District … why they should be helping to pay for the health expenses of someone who broke the law to get here and has no right to those federal dollars,” he said.
Dat derp, tho.
03-22-2017 , 08:28 PM
Man, they get to pass this **** sandwich and they are holding out for a xenophobic cherry on top too?
03-22-2017 , 08:43 PM
Koch bros offering a special election fund that will not be available to anyone who votes for the AHCA.
03-22-2017 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
I don't see how trade agreement services clauses inhibit implementing single payer.
Did you read it? That's literally what the entire report is about. No way you don't see how after reading it.

Edit
18 different potential violations listed on their own page in the report
03-22-2017 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LastLife
Did you read it? That's literally what the entire report is about. No way you don't see how after reading it.

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18 different potential violations listed on their own page in the report
Yeah I did read it. I will stand by my position that these 18 different potential violations would not inhibit the US from implementing single payer healthcare.

I mean the first one is creation of new monopolies. Government single payer does not do this and if fails to understand that health insurers would not just disappear.

Again these are treaties with other countries. Which countries are going to complain single payer healthcare in the US creates a new monopoly? Most of the other ones are dealing with healthcare providers and nothing to do with who pays for services.

The bulk of any of these issues relate to healthcare itself and not provision of payment. While it may be a technical concern it seems pretty unlikely.

Last edited by markksman; 03-22-2017 at 09:06 PM.
03-22-2017 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Koch bros offering a special election fund that will not be available to anyone who votes for the AHCA.
They're obviously in the Dem's pocket!
03-22-2017 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Yeah I did read it. I will stand by my position that these 18 different potential violations would not inhibit the US from implementing single payer healthcare.

I mean the first one is creation of new monopolies. Government single payer does not do this and if fails to understand that health insurers would not just disappear.

Again these are treaties with other countries. Which countries are going to complain single payer healthcare in the US creates a new monopoly? Most of the other ones are dealing with healthcare providers and nothing to do with who pays for services.

The bulk of any of these issues relate to healthcare itself and not provision of payment. While it may be a technical concern it seems pretty unlikely.
For starters, the US would have to pull out the WTO for insurance healthcare services, which means buy out every foreign investor in the US insurance market.

You don't see any potential problems with that?
03-22-2017 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Koch bros offering a special election fund that will not be available to anyone who votes for the AHCA.
I knew all along they were a bunch of cucks!
03-22-2017 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LastLife
For starters, the US would have to pull out the WTO for insurance healthcare services, which means buy out every foreign investor in the US insurance market.

You don't see any potential problems with that?
sounds better than kicking people off of insurance/having people die because they can't afford the new premiums!

like, are you under the impression that single-payer supporters are going around saying "this will be a completely easy and painless process!"
03-22-2017 , 09:35 PM
So far the only person to respond to me has said it's no big deal. Though, he only skimmed the report.
03-23-2017 , 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Koch bros offering a special election fund that will not be available to anyone who votes for the AHCA.
Big dogs coming out to play. Last year Forbes estimated their fortune at 82B.

The Donald at 3.5B

Suddenly the Trump threat to blackball no voters in 2018 seems a lot less threatening.....

MM MD
03-23-2017 , 03:30 PM
No vote

loooooooollllllllll gop
03-24-2017 , 07:00 PM
Update thread title plz
03-24-2017 , 07:01 PM
Got any better ideas than THREEPEAT? It deserves an update, but nothing good came to me right away.
03-24-2017 , 07:02 PM
Hat trick?

      
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