The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court - Page 640 - Politics and Economics

I copied that from another poster that asked me a specific question. So I answered that question with a specific answer.

I can't imagine if it is driving costs up from this company that we are the only ones that are having the costs increased.

Why imagine, when you can look at data from thousands of companies?

02-12-2015 , 11:39 AM

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Jbrochu

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Originally Posted by raradevils

Why in a free country should the gov't "mandate" any coverage. It should be between the individual and the insurance provider or take what the employer is offering and if you want to subsidize it further, go out and purchase additional coverage..

No different then what I want covered for my home and car?

Not sure where you live, but everywhere I've lived has at least some kind of auto insurance mandates.

02-12-2015 , 11:42 AM

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Jbrochu

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Rara, I think we spend about 80% too much on national defense. Should I be able to opt out and only purchase the national defense that I want?

02-12-2015 , 11:43 AM

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Huehuecoyotl

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Originally Posted by raradevils

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Would those who want freedom in their plans be fine with a government program that pays for various provisions that you don't like, to be paid out independently of the person's health plan; maternity coverage for women for example?

Bump

02-12-2015 , 11:54 AM

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Namath12

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Originally Posted by Jbrochu

Yeah but what about the dental plans?

Spoiler:

True story, my NoCal bro just got back from Mexico where he got dental implants for about 1/4 of the best price he was quoted in USA#1. According to him, other than the fact that he missed his flight out of there it was a positive experience.

02-12-2015 , 11:56 AM

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[Phill]

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Originally Posted by raradevils

I thought it was 30 million uninsured. If it was only 6 million, for the cost spend by the gov't we could have bought them a candilac plan and it would have been so much cheaper.

It's designed to cover anyone but some in state government hate the poor so won't expand medicare.

02-12-2015 , 11:57 AM

#15982

ikestoys

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You mean things are more expensive in USA versus Mexico? WOW SHOCK. Wonder what could possibly cause that.

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02-12-2015 , 12:02 PM

#15983

Huehuecoyotl

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Socialism

02-12-2015 , 12:14 PM

#15984

Jbrochu

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They stole so many of our jerbs that the increased competition has driven down prices.

02-12-2015 , 12:31 PM

#15985

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by raradevils

We mandate that cars have seat belts (and even that people wear them!), that car insurance covers certain things (there actually are minimum coverage standards in that car insurance you think you are negotiating freely), and that the stocks you are buying aren't actually a pyramid scheme. That you can't buy a substandard health plan that doesn't cover mental health is hardly the first example of tyrannical regulations of what you can and can't buy.

02-12-2015 , 04:32 PM

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raradevils

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Originally Posted by Benholio

Why imagine, when you can look at data from thousands of companies?

Why would the insurance company just happen to pick this company for increased premiums and no others?

02-12-2015 , 04:37 PM

#15987

LetsGambool

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Originally Posted by raradevils

To help increase coverage for those who want it while stopping former freeloaders like yourself from crushing the system.

02-12-2015 , 04:41 PM

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LetsGambool

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

Uh, what choice and freedom are you talking about?

From what I can tell, you're upset your large employer has gone from offering one plan to offering a different plan, which doesn't seem to have anything to do with any changes in the law. How did you have choice and freedom before?

Obamacare certainly didn't require them to take away your dental plan, but maybe your union ass should've voted Democrat once in your life to protect the bargaining power of employees?

You are responding to a poster who, when asked for his alternate solution about how poor people would get expensive treatment for a life threatening illness, responded "IF they choose to get treatment".

He wants the freedom to let people who can't pay for care to **** off and die.

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02-12-2015 , 04:41 PM

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Benholio

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Originally Posted by raradevils

Why would the insurance company just happen to pick this company for increased premiums and no others?

I have no information about that company so I have no idea.

02-12-2015 , 04:54 PM

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neg3sd

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Originally Posted by raradevils

Sorry but I'm not union and never have been. I work for a company that employs union labor. I have a medical plan outside of the one that is provided by my employer.

Do you have the option of buying a plan from your employer? Assuming a large company, their plan is usually better than the plans from the exchanges.

02-12-2015 , 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Japan spends about 35% as much as the USA. Their citizens live about 4 years longer. Too many administers of US providers are way overpaid.

02-13-2015 , 11:05 AM

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neg3sd

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http://www.businessinsider.com/rite-...etition-2015-2

This article says drugstore pharmacies are stealing business from each other. This is the low cost solution to healthcare. In the future drugstore pharmacies should be stealing business from primary care physicians. There should be no need for healthy adults to have a PCP, too expensive.

02-14-2015 , 11:32 AM

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Jbrochu

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When we first tried to sign up for the ACA (Nov 2013) my wife tried first and somehow we had trouble verifying her identity due to some weird glitch in the system. After trying for a while, we gave up and I ended up signing us up under my name.

We just got a letter today informing us that per her recent request they had successfully confirmed her identity.

02-17-2015 , 04:23 PM

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Namath12

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Signups for ObamaCare are surging in southern states, with increases of nearly 100 percent in some states compared to last year, federal health officials said Wednesday.

Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina and Mississippi have each seen 80 percent more signups compared to last year, Deputy Administrator Andy Slavitt said.

It will be interesting to see how voters in these states react if SCOTUS strikes down the federal subsidies.

02-17-2015 , 05:48 PM

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Foucault's Pipe

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Quote:

Originally Posted by neg3sd

Japan spends about 35% as much as the USA. Their citizens live about 4 years longer. Too many administers of US providers are way overpaid.

This is likely the case. Combine this with dense bureaucracies that are innately wasteful and there's the answer!

I cannot confidently say this is a US only problem, but working in the white collar world it is almost comical how much each company tries to the milk the other for extra revenue, more billable hours, etc. This is very likely the case in this industry as well.

02-27-2015 , 03:07 PM

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neg3sd

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama...154331091.html

Here is the early estimates of the number of people who will need to pay a penalty. As many as 6 million families to owe a penalty. As many as 40% were unaware of this penalty. Average penalty is $172.

02-27-2015 , 03:38 PM

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FlyWf

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One of the great divides between the national GOP and state-level GOP is that people who are the governor of a state do actually have a day job, they have to actually complete tasks.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...stroy-gop.html

Starting to see some cracks between the media/entertainment complex GOP and their lower branch offices, if they sweet talk Scalia into kicking 12M people off Obamacare those people aren't going to blame Obama, and Scalia doesn't have to worry about attack ads in 2016.

02-27-2015 , 09:04 PM

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Why does the US have this country club type doctor patient relation? For those 18 to 39 who are relatively healthy, why do they need an assigned doctor? Just put them all on medicaid. Only it is not free. They have to pay 100% of the bill. Most can probably get most of their medical needs from CVS or Walgreens. That ought to be cheaper for the uninsured and they would not be need to go to the emergency wards so often.
There is no easy solution for those without insurance and with pre-existing medical problems. Other than forcing providers to charge less.

02-27-2015 , 10:52 PM

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Benholio

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Quote:

Originally Posted by neg3sd

Why does the US have this country club type doctor patient relation? For those 18 to 39 who are relatively healthy, why do they need an assigned doctor? Just put them all on medicaid. Only it is not free. They have to pay 100% of the bill. Most can probably get most of their medical needs from CVS or Walgreens. That ought to be cheaper for the uninsured and they would not be need to go to the emergency wards so often.
There is no easy solution for those without insurance and with pre-existing medical problems. Other than forcing providers to charge less.

I can't remember what you think they should do if they need treatment for something and can't afford it. I don't think you wanted people to just die on the street, but I can't remember an alternative that fits into the 'no insurance, 100% pay' model.