Does this client also pay taxes for all her earnings at the 40% bracket? Because otherwise it seems like she's getting a government handout IMO

Grasping at straws....

I hope she sends her kids to private school – rather than suckling off the government teat at public school. Don't even get me started on public libraries.

And what's up with free trash service? No thanks, that's the road to a lifetime of dependence. I take my trash to the dump and pay for it like a boss.

Fly, Phil et al...at what point would you consider OC a failure? If we spend the trillion and the same # of uninsured exists, but the dynamic simply shifted from those who were paying for their own insurance (and got booted) to those who simply didn't have/want any insurance is that a success?

If in five years we aren't significantly below the current level of uninsured, Obamacare will be a failure.

So there you go – Republicans have a goal. Get cracking. Throw a monkey wrench in the works. Go team!

OC = Obamacare

TY SUZZ

KING OBAma have spent Billions on Obamacare. What do we really have to show for it? Millions lost their insurance due to the ACA. Last I heard 85% of people signing up already had insurance


Some of Obama's Associates:
1. Bill Ayers (Terrorist)
2. Tom Ayers (Radical)
3. Van Jones (Former Green Jobs Czar, Communist)
4. Anita Dunn (Maoist, Communist)
5. Tony Rezco (Convicted Felon: Fraud, Bribery)
6. Rev. Jeremiah “God Da&$ America” Wright (Radical, Black Liberation Theologist)
7. Prof. Frank Marshal Davis (Communist)
8. Gov. Rod Blagojevich (Convicted Felon and former Gov. of IL)
9. Andy Stern, Union SEIU Head, (Maoist, Communist)
10. Saul Alinsky (Author: Rules for Radicals)
11. Prof. Frances Fox Piven (Communist and Radical)
12. Kevin Jennings – “safe school czar” (radical homosexual who supports NAMBLA)
13. George Soros (Rich Billionaire)
14. Satan (Father of lies)

DO NOT tell me that Social Security and Medicare are NOT a scam

Booked!

And no wrench needed...DUCY?

Obamacare helps entrepreneurs, gives employees more freedom, helps make the market more efficient, and makes apple pie

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/02/23..._r=0&referrer=

Err, he obviously knows this.

AFAIK no ACA defender (fan would be too strong a word given most defenders thing single payer is instantly a lot better) is unaware that the private healthcare system in America is constantly raising prices and MUCH HIGHER than inflation.

The early Democratic draft bills would have addressed this through various means but the language was removed because all Republicans and several DINOs were successfully lobbied that it was anti-American to cost control.

I am pretty sure you dont understand what the ACA is. But regardless Obamacare/ACA will be a success when it is adapted/replaced with a single payer option that will actually save Americans a HUGE ****load of money.

Obamacare was a compromise bill, it improved some things but ignored (literally) the elephant in the room. Suzzer's goal of reducing the uninsured is a decent one if you need an actual target, that is something Obamacare will achieve without difficulty provided the states dont find a way to **** things up too hard.

The second half of your question makes no sense. What does "the dynamic shifted" mean?

Before Obamacare, the productive makers in America were happy with their plans, but now their plans have been taken away and free healthcare is given to those takers who don't even want healthcare!


# of uninsured Americans seems like a sensible metric, no?

Number of uninsured is tough to pin down, so I don't know if we'll be able to judge success or not by this metric. I know a bunch of different numbers were thrown around when the law was being implemented.

I think it's also weak to use a metric like this without regards to cost. 100% coverage with 1% GDP additional healthcare spending would probably be judged a success by most on this board. But would 80%?

So you're saying it's difficult to control costs through the US political system? That's exactly why I would advocate a different cost control mechanism.

Despotism or Democracy. It's the only way to play.

That is not what I am saying. It is pretty much exactly the opposite of what I said, in fact.

You're saying it's easy for the US gov't to control costs?

Im saying that private healthcare doesnt try to control costs. At all.

No.

Yes. Private healthcare is not a free market and never can be.

http://blogs.kqed.org/stateofhealth/...able-care-act/

Healthy San Francisco was started in 2006. It serves over 60,000 San Francisco residents, many of which are uninsured. Many are also undocumented immigrants. Obamacare may end this service.
Healthcare reform should be giving more people access to health care. That doesn't seem to be the goal of Obamacare.

Lol you clearly have no ****ing idea what you're talking about. The are tons of coat controls in health care. You're talking out of your ass, which while the fact you can do that is impressive, everyone wants you to stop.

Ikesrony itt

There is obviously a lot of stuff geared towards patients. Could you name some for health care suppliers?