The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court - Page 408 - Politics and Economics

It's a relatively simple question, ikes, and it's one I don't believe you've ever answered. What about Obamacare, in your opinion, is an improvement on the status quo?

02-01-2014 , 11:48 PM

#10177

suzzer99

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If we could somehow set terms I'd bet my life savings that there will never be a significant doctor shortage in this country. I'd even be willing to give odds.

02-01-2014 , 11:57 PM

#10178

Ineedaride2

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aislephive

Anybody else see this anti-Obamacare ad on TV? A woman is claiming her $52 a month policy got cancelled because of Obamacare and she now has to pay $375 a month. She says that she now has to work a second job to pay for Obamacare 'which is really hard for somebody with lupus.'

I mean, there's absolutely no way this is a true story, so how the hell are they allowed to run ads that amount to blatant slander? Can the parties responsible for running this ad get in trouble if those claims turn out to be blatantly false or misrepresented, which they most certainly are?

I mean, it's **** like this which makes it impossible to have an intelligent political debate in America.

I didn't extensively research this, but a cursory search did bring up this article:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20...no_choice.html

It gives a little detail, but more importantly, it provides a name that can be further researched by someone more motivated than I am.

02-02-2014 , 07:57 AM

#10179

ikestoys

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Loden Pants

Exactly. And, in the medium and long term, people who receive preventive care will have less of a need to receive urgent care or other non-preventive care, so the overall societal costs will go down, reducing the overall demand for doctors. In the short term, obviously, people who have had healthcare needs unmet will seek the healthcare that they can now afford.

Early evidence that has come in has not been supportive of people using less emergency care.

02-02-2014 , 11:09 AM

#10180

V0dkanockers

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Quote:

Originally Posted by prana

1st sentence isn't true so the rest is probably worth squat as well.

I have a question about docs taking Medicaid. While most PCP docs will accept new Medicaid patients, what about specialists? From what I can tell most will not.

02-02-2014 , 02:50 PM

#10181

FlyWf

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JUST ASKING SINCERE QUESTIONS GUYZ, DEFINITELY NOT FLAILING DESPERATELY TO FIND A THING THEY CAN BLAME ON THAT HUSSEIN ONE.

These are open minded health policy experts. They deserve our respect. They deserve the benefit of the doubt.

02-02-2014 , 03:15 PM

#10182

ikestoys

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

02-02-2014 , 04:17 PM

#10183

V0dkanockers

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

Keep on throwing it out there Fly. So will they or not? I assume not since you went to your old tired rhetoric. The point being is what good is the Medicaid expansion if, when people get really sick, they cannot get treated? I am not talking about the sniffles. I am talking about cancer, heart attacks, strokes, etc.

But if all you are trying to do is make yourself feel good by pointing to the fact people have insurance instead of looking at if they will actually get treatment. Then mission accomplished.

02-02-2014 , 05:21 PM

#10184

ikestoys

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Quote:

Originally Posted by V0dkanockers

I have a question about docs taking Medicaid. While most PCP docs will accept new Medicaid patients, what about specialists? From what I can tell most will not.

Reality is that it seems very difficult to get these numbers, and they seem to vary wildly between specialties.

02-02-2014 , 05:57 PM

#10185

FlyWf

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Guys guys I've got the solution: #fullrepeal. Right? Throw in some malpractice reform and the poor people will be swimming in doctor visits.

Solution #2, and everyone sit down for this bold example of telling truth to power: the government should give more money to doctors. It's high time someone said it.

02-02-2014 , 06:42 PM

#10186

Riverman

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you forgot selling across state lines

02-02-2014 , 09:12 PM

#10187

neg3sd

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Finally saw the woman with lupus on TV. She said her insurance was cancelled. Did not say why. It is all about unintended consequences. Under Obamacare all policies must cover androgynous people. Her policy was deemed inadequate. Did not cover some treatment she did not want and did not need. No insurance company is stupid enough to drop someone because of a pre-existing condition. It is against the law. Insurers can and do find other reasons to cancel.

02-02-2014 , 11:00 PM

#10188

Money2Burn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by neg3sd

Steelhouse?

02-03-2014 , 08:45 AM

#10189

Loden Pants

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

Early evidence that has come in has not been supportive of people using less emergency care.

This seems to be the latest from Massachusetts. Not sure why it takes them so long to put out the reports. The next one is due in "early summer 2013."

It says that ER visits, multiple ER visits, and non-emergency ER visits are all down between 2006-10 in MA.

Pretty charts:
http://bluecrossmafoundation.org/sit...%20Jan2012.pdf

tldr full report:

http://bluecrossmafoundation.org/sit...%20Jan2012.pdf

02-03-2014 , 10:14 AM

#10190

Riverman

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Breaking News: Republican State of the Union response lady straight up lied about her constituent who she claimed faced a $700 premium increase under Obamacare

1. She was comparing a $10,000 deductible individual market policy with a high-quality individual market policy

2. She didn't even look on the exchange because she "would never go on an Obama website."

Again, this isn't some Red State columnist DERPing for dollars. This is a woman and a political party who are actually in charge of making rules everyone must live by.

02-03-2014 , 10:35 AM

#10191

ikestoys

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Loden Pants

Self reports aren't as good as actual measurements, especially when measuring such small differences. The research published in Science on Oregon was not as good.

02-03-2014 , 02:03 PM

#10192

DKay

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverman

I'm guessing she tried to get a price quote but was told you can't get a price quote on the exchange.

02-03-2014 , 02:20 PM

#10193

Riverman

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Im no longer guessing whether you are capable of reading.

02-03-2014 , 02:38 PM

#10194

maxtower

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverman

If only we had the right people making the rules!!

02-04-2014 , 04:34 PM

#10195

V0dkanockers

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Why do Ad Council ads have to such so much?

They used to be a lot better imo.

Last edited by V0dkanockers; 02-04-2014 at 04:41 PM.

02-04-2014 , 05:40 PM

#10196

Cuban B

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Benholio

It is closer to reality to say that Obamacare could expose a doctor shortage rather than cause one. If there aren't enough doctors to treat those who are currently uninsured, then there aren't enough doctors. It will just be more obvious now because the newly insured might try to use them instead of staying home.

Not if you simply believe that those who are uninsured don't deserve a first world standard of modern healthcare access.