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The GOP's "Pledge to America" The GOP's "Pledge to America"

09-23-2010 , 03:12 AM
A word from the hard right:

A lot of this stuff is transparently BS. We really need to get rid of most of the incumbant moderate Republicans so that we can get down to the core cost cutting that needs to be done.

Trump is right about the necessity of slapping a tarrif on imports as the first and most important step. We will never be able to pay for modern medical costs until we reverse the slide in wages and the only way to do that is to compete for our own domestic markets. We have to bring manufacturing back home.

Second, we have to fix the entitlements and yes, thats going to require means testing.

You folks need to understand that the New Right is not the Rich Right nor is the New Right adverse to the prospect of ending the cycle of never ending war and defense spending.

Nor is the New Right the Social Right nor the Racist Right nor the Moral Right. We just want fiscal responsibility, smaller central government and liberty.

This "Pledge" is just a copycat of the Newt Deal, authored by the same old party hacks that the New Right is getting rid of seat by seat. It ain't relevant and soon they won't be, but there are certainly some ideas in there.

There are always some ideas on the left that make sense. Some.

Hope you will join us in our effort to vote out every single sitting incumbant by 2016 and therefore save the people from the government and restore liberty to humanity before its too late.
09-23-2010 , 03:17 AM
lol "liberty" is restricting trade to domestic markets only. awesome, that's some small government you've got in mind, fella!
09-23-2010 , 03:30 AM
Don't forgot to demand that other countries remove their trade barriers.
09-23-2010 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by jolyroger
and restore liberty to humanity before its too late.
Americans != humanity
09-23-2010 , 07:37 AM
Is there anything in there about masturbation bans or increased funding for covens?
09-23-2010 , 08:02 AM
Erick Ericcson from Red State is not amused:

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These 21 pages tell you lots of things, some contradictory things, but mostly this: it is a serious of compromises and milquetoast rhetorical flourishes in search of unanimity among House Republicans because the House GOP does not have the fortitude to lead boldly in opposition to Barack Obama.

I have one message for John Boehner, Eric Cantor, and the House GOP Leadership: If they do not want to use the GOP to lead, I would like to borrow it for a time.

Yes, yes, it is full of mom tested, kid approved pablum that will make certain hearts on the right sing in solidarity. But like a diet full of sugar, it will actually do nothing but keep making Washington fatter before we crash from the sugar high.

It is dreck — dreck with some stuff I like, but like Brussels sprouts in butter. I like the butter, not the Brussels sprouts. Overall, this grand illusion of an agenda that will never happen is best spoken of today and then never again as if it did not happen. It is best forgotten.
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The pledge begins by lamenting “an arrogant and out-of-touch government of self-appointed elites” issuing “mandates”, then proceeds to demand health care mandates on insurance companies that will drive up the costs of health care for ordinary Americans.

The plan wants to put “government on the path to a balanced budget” without doing anything substantive. There is a promise to “immediately reduce spending” by cutting off stimulus funds. Wow. Exciting.

There is a plan to cut Congress’s budget, which is pretty much what was promised in 1994. Seriously? In 4 years did the Democrats really blow up the Congressional budget? No — the GOP did that too.

There is no call for a Spending Limitation Amendment or a Balanced Budget Amendment. It is just meaningless stuff the Democrats can easily undo and that ultimately the Senate GOP will even turn its nose up at.

The entirety of this Promise is laughable. Why? It is an illusion that fixates on stuff the GOP already should be doing while not daring to touch on stuff that will have any meaningful longterm effects on the size and scope of the federal government.

This document proves the GOP is more focused on the acquisition of power than the advocacy of long term sound public policy. All the good stuff in it is stuff we expect them to do. What is not in it is more than a little telling that the House GOP has not learned much of anything from 2006.
09-23-2010 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by nick_van_exel
I know republicans are stupid, racist ect... but these are pretty reasonable ideas

obs:

- Stop job-killing tax hikes
- Allow small businesses to take a tax deduction equal to 20 percent of their income
Olbermann had a "small business" segment last night. I suppose an outfit like Bechtel or KKR, the little guys that need some help, sure do deserve to pay less tax.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/9/22/102341/299
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$HIT! The IRS can’t tell us who exactly these people are because personal tax records cannot be public record. And, the list of small businesses kept going and going and going and... One of the biggest "small" businesses in the world is Bechtel, whose 2009 revenues were around $31 billion – with a "B" there, folks! Lots of government officials, celebrities, etc. file their taxes as S corporations to save money – including our President, boys & girls.
09-23-2010 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Brons
Grrr budget deficit! Defence spending ftw!
Illegal immigration enforcement spending ftw!

Medicare spending ftw!
09-23-2010 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Wynton
Pretty much completely agree with him.
09-23-2010 , 12:18 PM
Just reading the highlights of this, and looking at the picture of Boner at the podium surrounded by GOP leaders in jeans and plaid button downs made me actually cringe.

Is the American public, are the masses really this stupid? Or do the GOP leaders just believe people will buy it? I dont' get it. I don't understand it. If 10 people from 2+2 were put in a room and this was put together, I would bet at least 5 of them would say "There's no way we can sell this, it's beyond ******ed"

I just don't get it. How can you even try to pass this off? Record deficits and they are talking about tax cuts. Tax cuts.

TAX CUTS WTF?
09-23-2010 , 12:20 PM
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I just don't get it. How can you even try to pass this off? Record deficits and they are talking about tax cuts. Tax cuts.

TAX CUTS WTF?
QFT
09-23-2010 , 12:32 PM
$2.5 trillion added to the deficit in 20 months under the democrats. I'm pretty sure it's not because of tax cuts, but rather the fault of these psychotic leftists who have seized control of the country.
09-23-2010 , 12:41 PM
Dems came out with their new meme..... plague to America
09-23-2010 , 01:04 PM
Fine I won't argue that, but how do you propose to address it with tax cuts?

lol
09-23-2010 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by iNeedScissors61
$2.5 trillion added to the deficit in 20 months under the democrats. I'm pretty sure it's not because of tax cuts, but rather the fault of these psychotic leftists who have seized control of the country.
Oh c'mon. All that spending and taxation is saving America's a&&.
Just ask any dummy Democrat or hateful intolerant liberal, they'll tell ya.
09-23-2010 , 03:01 PM
Wow, At least some Of Newt's planks were beneficial(o term limits where did you go). This is complete and utter nonsense. Thirty years of Republican thinking tanking(using that term loosely), and this is the best we can get. Someone brought up Olberman's show last night, and I hate Olberman, well I hate The Nation, and I am forced to agree with him. The Republican Party is now funded by tax savings from the ultra rich who want more tax savings. 3% of the country is what the country is supposed to be run for? Every phucking, so-called, supposed "fiscal" conservative should be ashamed of this and every elected and running Republican. Its a question of whether they are mean, stingy, and racist, OR oblivious and stupid. If these people have their way we go back to the Gilded Age. A few rich magnates and their hangers on inflicting monopoly, poverty wages, and ******ed social policies on everyone else.

Who will stand up for free enterprise and competition? Where are the trust busters(you John McCain who loves Teddy R)

Where are the ardent free traders? You know Reagan, Bush41, and those guys who passed NAFTA? People who actually went to Econ class without branding all professors Marxists? The people who understand trade always makes a country richer. If you want to distribute the gains across, use TAX POLICY.

WTF happened to Republicans for school reform? You know turning out brainpower that makes for economic gains? You can't export things off assembly lines when any serf from China can do it infinitely cheaper. Vouchers, school choice, merit pay, charter schools, busting the teacher's unions, sane funding of schools, and all those things?

And, where are they for term limits? That was by far the most powerful thing in the Contract in 94. No proxy voting, no lifetime committee chairs, and only 12 years in Congress? One of the few things that was 100% right. By the time someone got to a powerful position, they were already bought by the vested interests. Throw in his requirement that all committee meetings be open to the public(read commercials showing obama behind closed doors breaking campaign pledges), and it would have made for a better Congress for generations.

The Republican Party has resorted to its post Civil War roots. Ultra-rich, entrenched Anglo-racists. Keep the rich in charge of more and more money, and divert the people with pseudo-religion and racism. Run it for 3% or less.
Where is the party that claimed to fix things? Make America more prosperous? They have turned into the party of nothing. Think nothing, fix nothing, do nothing.

As if we needed evidence beyond the absolute dredges of society picked to run the Party and win primaries. If you want a country run by Grover Norquist, Pat Toomey, and Dick Armey, you got it. Bloat goverment beyond control, and cut off funding. Run up the debt and deficit until nothing can be fixed, amended or funded. Then, wait for the collapse when the people who own gold, foreign currency, land and guns can take it all back over. This is the Republican agenda now. Screw poor people, black people, educated people, good people, and everyone not in your little club.

Joe Biden was right, this is not your father's republican Party. This is the racist country club realizing people ARE that stupid. Please, someone tell me why the idea of devising cogent fixing of Democratic excess left the Party? Where is the all that patriotism when it comes to making America work, and stay rich as a whole? Oh wait, that would involve darky getting some of your "hard-earned" money.

I'm waiting on someone to explain to me if these so-called ideas in this "pledge" are actually sane. If they are, why is every new face a total moron, or a kleptomaniac like Toomey. Where are the public thinkers saying, hey, this could help? All you have are Fox morons, anti-tax zealots, and racists for leadership. Please, fiscal conservatives, show me where any of this helps the other 97%, where any of it has thought in it beyond phucking minorities and workers? Help me, I want a real oppposition party again so I have to deliberate before I vote. You know, the good old days before I was 18.
09-23-2010 , 03:13 PM
I wonder what the race card is made of, that it never gets worn out?
09-23-2010 , 03:20 PM
Of course we can't argue against the fact that the decades long movement in America towards free trade has made the county much much richer.
09-23-2010 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jolyroger
Of course we can't argue against the fact that the decades long movement in America towards free trade has made the county much much richer.
Well, it's made some people much richer.

09-23-2010 , 03:54 PM
Free trade is so evil its been repudiated by research and peer review?

Kennedy, Nixon, Bush41, and Clinton were just stone cold idiots for working on GATT, the WTO, and NAFTA? Even the last Bush worked on country to country free trade deals. You can't be rich without trade, maybe read Adam Smith? You people bitch and bitch and bitch about competition and free trade but don't bother to read about it, research it, or apply thought to it. If you don't trade you stultify, become insular and end up like China was in the 18th-19th century.

Trade forces you to increase the VALUE of what you produce, not quantity. You're only as rich as the value of what you produce, and turning **** off an assembly line is about as valuable as making cotton garments in cottages was then. Education is the conduit for increasing trade and wealth, and the USA doesn't get it. We can't export toys with lead, but we could export doctors, nurses, engineers, programmers, researchers and teachers. I blame the Democrats for backing unions on trade and education, and republicans for hating to spend money on poor and minority kids that increased federal control and funding would dictate. This is why I mourn the utter abandonment of public interest from the republican Party. No opposition allows Democrats to pander to their interests and run up useless spending. But, we no longer have an option.
09-23-2010 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
And haven't a lot of banks paid back TARP fund, anyway?
nitty point:

the gov't just figured out a better way to fund banks that would be too hard for many people to understand and protest against

hooray for the corporatist president obama
09-23-2010 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MyTurn2Raise
nitty point:

the gov't just figured out a better way to fund banks that would be too hard for many people to understand and protest against

hooray for the corporatist president obama
What does this mean? The banks didn't pay the money back?
09-23-2010 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Wynton
What does this mean? The banks didn't pay the money back?
Pretty sure the last estimates were tarp would lose around $65 billion.
09-23-2010 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by obsidian
Illegal immigration enforcement spending ftw!

Medicare spending ftw!
I don't think you see the irony in balking at the deficit under the democrats when the GOP never really tried to reduce the deficit themselves and is actually opposed to cutting any real spending.
09-23-2010 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by obsidian
Pretty sure the last estimates were tarp would lose around $65 billion.
Then why do people keep saying it cost $835b?

      
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