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09-22-2011 , 09:29 AM

#376

BelgoSuisse

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FleeingFish

Get your bible out of my government.

My bible? LOL. Did you actually read my post before answering? I'm atheist.

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09-22-2011 , 09:39 AM

#377

FlyWf

It's the other way

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Man the mikes are the gift that keeps giving. I mean, I used to be just angry at Georgia, but they show why Georgia does **** like that. There's a solid third of the country that thinks like them and for us educated urban white people on the internet it's valuable to be reminded that those guys are out there. What's worse, they vote.

That Facebook status is simply amazing. "Justice may not have been done in this particular case, but possibly justice was carried out on him for leading a bad life." I'm glad we instituted the death penalty for possibly leading a bad life. That will sort us out right quick.

Last edited by FlyWf; 09-22-2011 at 09:44 AM.

09-22-2011 , 09:40 AM

#378

crimcof

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 296

Quote:

Originally Posted by BelgoSuisse

You can't kill something that is not alive yet. Deciding when a embryo/foetus should be considered "alive" is a non trivial issue. According to the Bible (Genesis 2:7), life actually starts with breath, so that would be at birth. That sounds a little late to me. According to religious fanatics who claim to rely on the Bible but actually don't, life starts at conception. That sounds a little early to me. The general consensus in western countries that had a serious abortion debate is that the threshold is around 12 to 14 weeks after conception. I see no reason to fundamentally disagree.

hmm, is this really turning into an abortion thread? maybe that can be moved?

09-22-2011 , 09:45 AM

#379

Pokamastah

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Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 314

Perhaps governments should implement eye for an eye for all crimes. If you murder someone you should get murdered, if you rape someone a willling person should be allowed to rape you, if you sell drugs someone else should be allowed to sell drugs to you, if you smoke weed someone else should be allowed to smoke weed...oh wait!? now that wasn't logical.

09-22-2011 , 09:46 AM

#380

TomCollins

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mjkidd

Well obviously Norway's system wouldn't work in the US. You can't simultaneously have an insane drug war and a decent and just prison system. You can't put someone in prison for five years for selling a plant and then go to work "reforming" him, since everyone knows it's bs that he's in prison and he hasn't done anything wrong. Get rid of the 75% of prisoners that are rotting in jail for no reason and only then maybe we can talk about reforming American prisons.

There definitely are people who cannot be reformed and we shouldn't bother with (that white supremacist guy who drug that black dude who said he'd do it again is a great example). Some puppies are just sick and have no value to society.

However, we definitely should leave the door open to rehabilitation, redemption and, and restitution (and even encourage it). If they don't want to do this, then I'm perfectly fine with some kind of system where they are isolated from society. The problem we have now is how many of them are not crimes against any particular person, how could you do restitution for them?

I'm not sure how many of you know the story of Maurice Clarrett, a former football player at Ohio State who had a huge ego, tried to go to the NFL early, failed miserably at it, and ended up going to jail on some serious charges. The guy got his head on straight and has really cleaned up his act and matured a ton and is a great example (so far) of someone who has reformed. He's extremely lucky he still has football skills and connections to get a degree - it would be really hard for someone like him to actually reform themselves otherwise with no opportunities after prison.

09-22-2011 , 09:52 AM

#381

Case Closed

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Quote:

Originally Posted by crimcof

I remember watching some american news show a few years back on the Australian equivalent of cable. one of those political punditry shows. they were talking about how cruel some of the middle eastern countries were with their punishment for cutting the hands of thieves etc. the US kills people... not a lot more crueler than that for the individual. US is such an interesting country, so many frightening, wonderful dichotomies.

the country is capable of the most unbelievable compassion (the tsunami effort, the thousands and thousands of charities to help its own citizens etc) and the most abject cruelty (slow government intervention in new orleans during that flood, slaughtering of all those iraqi citizens etc).

a little bit country, a little bit rock'n'roll

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8jvEJngh4M

So frustrating and so true.

09-22-2011 , 09:57 AM

#382

FlyWf

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The white supremacist guys who killed Byrd were partially the product of our justice system, they joined neo-Nazi prison gangs for protection when they were in jail on non-white supremacist charges.

IOW, our prison system made them much much worse. They turned a burglar into a murderer.

09-22-2011 , 09:58 AM

#383

FleeingFish

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulman

Feel free to start an abortion thread that won't be read. The point is obviously that this can't be proven or quantified. But feel free to be morally superior anyway. And don't kill that mold in your kitchen.

You responded to me.

09-22-2011 , 10:02 AM

#384

MeanGreenMachine

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 139

So apparently the death penalty in the USA is "racist and classist" even though Troy Davis jury was composed of 7 blacks and 5 whites? Cool story bro.

09-22-2011 , 10:07 AM

#385

FleeingFish

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MeanGreenMachine

So apparently the death penalty in the USA is "racist and classist" even though Troy Davis jury was composed of 7 blacks and 5 whites? Cool story bro.

Base the entire systems fairness on one trial. That is one objective person I tell ya

09-22-2011 , 10:08 AM

#386

the steam

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The death penalty is hardly racist. Blacks commit 55% of the murders in the US and are 35% of the people executed in the US.

09-22-2011 , 10:09 AM

#387

FlyWf

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MeanGreenMachine

So apparently the death penalty in the USA is "racist and classist" even though Troy Davis jury was composed of 7 blacks and 5 whites? Cool story bro.

Plus look at all the innocent black people we HAVEN'T executed for crimes they didn't commit. The system works!

Last edited by FlyWf; 09-22-2011 at 10:10 AM. Reason: executed yet, I mean.

09-22-2011 , 10:16 AM

#388

MinusEV

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Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 12,642

Quote:

Originally Posted by the steam

The death penalty is hardly racist. Blacks commit 55% of the murders in the US and are 35% of the people executed in the US.

Then again, in cases resulting in execution, 77% of the victims where white and only 15% black, even though blacks make up about half of the murder victims.

09-22-2011 , 10:29 AM

#389

pvn

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That ann coulter tweet isn't real is it?

09-22-2011 , 10:36 AM

#390

MeanGreenMachine

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 139

Quote:

Originally Posted by FleeingFish

Base the entire systems fairness on one trial. That is one objective person I tell ya

I only said that because someone mentioned it in the context of this case.

09-22-2011 , 10:38 AM

#391

kurto

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kittens

Is there anyone anywhere (outside of the Georgia legislature) that supports this execution? Has anyone posted their supportive views in this thread or any other forum?

Go read the comments below the news story about it posted on Yahoo news. Oddly, conservatives are celebrating it and bashing liberals and blacks.

09-22-2011 , 10:41 AM

#392

FlyWf

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It's not only real, it's arguably not the worst thing she tweeted last night.

09-22-2011 , 10:42 AM

#393

PoBoy321

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pvn

That ann coulter tweet isn't real is it?

http://twitter.com/#!/AnnCoulter/sta...28663260299265

I'm not sure that that's her official twitter account, but it seems pretty legit.

09-22-2011 , 10:45 AM

#394

MidyMat

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No one would cry for Ann Coulter if she was executed.

09-22-2011 , 10:47 AM

#395

Money2Burn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FleeingFish

Get your bible out of my government. As far as when life starts? In many states when you intentionally kill an unborn child other than abortion its murder. When something is growing it is alive. Rather simple concept. Conception, life starts to grow. We have already defined when life starts via law and morally.

I know abortion is a catch-22 and right now pro-choice is the only practical answer. Your arguments hold no real weight.

So those little colored capsules that turned into dinosaurs when I dropped them I water when I was a kid were alive? Good to know.

09-22-2011 , 10:47 AM

#396

timotheeeee

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Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,861

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

Thought for sure you were black. Dunno why, maybe because of the avatar you've had forever.

Last edited by timotheeeee; 09-22-2011 at 10:56 AM.

09-22-2011 , 10:51 AM

#397

MeanGreenMachine

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Ann Coulter is an idiot but she seems right on this one: http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-09-21.html

09-22-2011 , 10:54 AM

#398

Money2Burn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

IOW, our prison system made them much much worse. They turned a burglar into a murderer.

Norway aint got **** on our justice system!

09-22-2011 , 10:54 AM

#399

FlyWf

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I'm gonna go out on a limb and just automatically assume she's lying about most of that.

09-22-2011 , 10:55 AM

#400

Case Closed

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MeanGreenMachine,

No, she's not right at all.

Edit to add:

Quote:

Fifty-nine percent of Americans now believe that an innocent man has been executed in the last five years. There is more credible evidence that space aliens have walked among us than that an innocent person has been executed in this country in the past 60 years, much less the past five years.

Yeah, looks like she did a lot of research for this article.

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