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09-20-2011 , 09:36 AM
So tomorrow Georgia is going to kill a man convicted with no physical evidence based on witness testimony that is clearly tainted by police coercion according to witnesses who have recanted their statements from the time.

Awesome country you guys have.
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09-20-2011 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
So tomorrow Georgia is going to kill a man convicted with no physical evidence based on witness testimony that is clearly tainted by police coercion according to witnesses who have recanted their statements from the time.

Awesome country you guys have.
I wish the USSC had the balls to call out the death penalty for being cruel and unusual when they had the chance. That would have been awesome.
09-20-2011 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
So tomorrow Georgia is going to kill a man convicted with no physical evidence based on witness testimony that is clearly tainted by police coercion according to witnesses who have recanted their statements from the time.

Awesome country you guys have.
That's why it is called a "One-way ticket to Jackson,GA".

Those eyewitnesses will have blood on their hands too, if they lied in court and put him on death-row.
09-20-2011 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
So tomorrow Georgia is going to kill a man convicted with no physical evidence
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Georgia’s attorney general, in an online statement, claimed that the expert said the bullets came from the same gun type and noted that casings at the pool party shooting matched — thus came from the same firearm as — those found at MacPhail’s murder scene
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
based on witness testimony that is clearly tainted by police coercion according to witnesses who have recanted their statements from the time.
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While reviewing Davis’ claims of innocence last year, the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Georgia found that Davis “vastly overstates the value of his evidence of innocence.”

“Some of the evidence is not credible and would be disregarded by a reasonable juror,” Judge William T. Moore wrote in a 172-page opinion. “Other evidence that Mr. Davis brought forward is too general to provide anything more than smoke and mirrors.”

Source
09-20-2011 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
So tomorrow Georgia is going to kill a man convicted with no physical evidence based on witness testimony that is clearly tainted by police coercion according to witnesses who have recanted their statements from the time.

Awesome country you guys have.
There was supposedly one matched casing. I don't know how good that kind of evidence is. If it's good, then it would prevail in a new trial.
09-20-2011 , 10:15 AM
From wiki:

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No murder weapon – neither the gun owned by Cole nor that said to be owned by Davis – was recovered.[21] A ballistics expert testified that the .38 caliber bullet that killed MacPhail could have been fired from the same gun that wounded Cooper at the pool party, though he admitted doubt about this. However, he stated he was confident that .38 casings found in Cloverdale matched one allegedly later found by a homeless man near the scene of MacPhail's shooting.[23]
If it's enough evidence to send him up, fine, but given mass changes in testimony, a new trial is certainly warranted.

But LOL on the chain of custody on a bullet casing that is the only piece of physical evidence in a capital case.

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Some of the evidence is not credible and would be disregarded by a reasonable juror
You actually bolded this to support your case? I mean, why have jurors if judges can just read their minds?
09-20-2011 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
There was supposedly one matched casing. I don't know how good that kind of evidence is. If it's good, then it would prevail in a new trial.
Interestingly enough, a lot of courts have recognized in the past few years that identifying a gun using bullet casings is far from accurate and more art then science.
09-20-2011 , 10:27 AM
First, im suspicious of such flimsy evidence as a casing allegedly found by a homeless man nearby allegedly matches forensically when this is the only physical evidence. Experts will say at trial what you pay them to say and not only is 20 year old forensic evidence massively outdated it seems the expert was hedging his bets on just how close the match is.

Secondly, its more concerning that there isnt a retrial and a full investigation of what evidence is and isnt tainted when some of it clearly is.

Thirdly, this is why the whole ultimate justice bull**** is bull****. This guy might be guilty, but there is a decent chance he is innocent and there is a rapidly expiring window of opportunity to prove this. It took the better part of 2 decades for witnesses to admit they were coerced, who knows what would be found if his legal advocates had more time.

Even death row advocates should call for this execution to be put on hold with calls for a retrial given the new evidence that has come to light. It does nothing for the reputation of 'ultimate justice' when the levels of evidence are so damn low.
09-20-2011 , 10:33 AM
hmmmm..............maybe the homeless guy did it.
09-20-2011 , 10:42 AM
Wow, bribing witnesses in capital cases? Humblebrag: I am having lunch with someone who worked in Illinois against the death penalty tomorrow. Perhaps I will bring up that comment to provide a little humor.
09-20-2011 , 10:47 AM
This guy needs a new trial yesterday
09-20-2011 , 02:19 PM
Please sign the Amnesty petition, and share it on twitter/Facebook/other forums.

Thanks.
09-20-2011 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MidyMat
I agree with DblBarrelJ.
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If these eyewitnesses lied on the stand and he ends up being put to death.
They will have a lot to answer to when they meet their maker.
in other words they get off scott free.
09-20-2011 , 02:25 PM
In this case Juror number 8 kept his mouth shut.
09-20-2011 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
So tomorrow Georgia is going to kill a man convicted with no physical evidence based on witness testimony that is clearly tainted by police coercion according to witnesses who have recanted their statements from the time.

Awesome country you guys have.
100 % agree.

Is something more going on here I just don't understand how this can happen.

The Victims kid
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"Justice was finally served for my father," said Mark MacPhail Jr., who was an infant when his father was gunned down. "The truth was finally heard."
Yeah the "infant" definiatly knew what the truth really was. I can understand the clowns want for justice and revenge but "possibly" killing the wrong guy is #$@^@^%$^%^@#$%$%^# dumb.

America fail
09-20-2011 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by freddifred
Please sign the Amnesty petition, and share it on twitter/Facebook/other forums.

Thanks.
A petition can't help him now, he needs a governor or president pardon or maybe the supreme court could step in but I doubt it.
He has less than 30 hours left.
09-20-2011 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
First, im suspicious of such flimsy evidence as a casing allegedly found by a homeless man nearby allegedly matches forensically when this is the only physical evidence. Experts will say at trial what you pay them to say and not only is 20 year old forensic evidence massively outdated it seems the expert was hedging his bets on just how close the match is.

Secondly, its more concerning that there isnt a retrial and a full investigation of what evidence is and isnt tainted when some of it clearly is.

Thirdly, this is why the whole ultimate justice bull**** is bull****. This guy might be guilty, but there is a decent chance he is innocent and there is a rapidly expiring window of opportunity to prove this. It took the better part of 2 decades for witnesses to admit they were coerced, who knows what would be found if his legal advocates had more time.

Even death row advocates should call for this execution to be put on hold with calls for a retrial given the new evidence that has come to light. It does nothing for the reputation of 'ultimate justice' when the levels of evidence are so damn low.
Damn Phil is pwning this thread

again 100 % agree
09-20-2011 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
So tomorrow Georgia is going to kill a man convicted with no physical evidence based on witness testimony that is clearly tainted by police coercion according to witnesses who have recanted their statements from the time.

Awesome country you guys have.
I think this is a massive travesty reflective of major systemic problems, but it's way more 'lol Georgia' than 'lol 'Merkia.'
09-20-2011 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by poker1928
Interestingly enough, a lot of courts have recognized in the past few years that identifying a gun using bullet casings is far from accurate and more art then science.
There is no scientific evidence showing the reliability of many forensic evidence outside DNA. They call it 'art' simply because no scientific probability has been established regarding ID. May as well dunk them in water and see if they drown, if they don't, they're guilty.


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“Some of the evidence is not credible and would be disregarded by a reasonable juror,”
Most reasonable jurors are highly uneducated regarding the criminal justice system and it's problems. This also goes towards many within the criminal justice system itself.

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09-20-2011 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
I think this is a massive travesty reflective of major systemic problems, but it's way more 'lol Georgia' than 'lol 'Merkia.'
I guess killing innocent people could be considered a states rights issue.
09-20-2011 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
So tomorrow Georgia is going to kill a man convicted with no physical evidence based on witness testimony that is clearly tainted by police coercion according to witnesses who have recanted their statements from the time.

Awesome country you guys have.
This is a pretty scathing condemnation from a man who openly thinks the following:

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Originally Posted by [Phill
]1 innocent for every 25 terrorists would be a good figure, sure. Ill go with that with no more thought.
Plz to be telling why that logic does not apply to death penalty?
09-20-2011 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
I guess killing innocent people could be considered a states rights issue.
As opposed to an Imperial right?
09-20-2011 , 04:53 PM
counting down.....26 hours left
09-20-2011 , 05:05 PM
Warfare and the justice system arent the same thing. Killing terrorists with drones isnt the same as deciding whether to lock someone up for their life or put a needle in their arm. You probably arent better than this, but you should strive to be in order to make less bad posts like that one comparing completely different subjects like a 2 year old trying to jam the triangle into the square hole wondering why it wont fit.
09-20-2011 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Warfare and the justice system arent the same thing. Killing terrorists with drones isnt the same as deciding whether to lock someone up for their life or put a needle in their arm. You probably arent better than this, but you should strive to be in order to make less bad posts like that one comparing completely different subjects like a 2 year old trying to jam the triangle into the square hole wondering why it wont fit.
moving to the LC thread. plz to be replying.
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