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09-16-2011 , 10:44 PM

13ball

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Will Georgia execute a man who might be innocent?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Davis_case
http://news.yahoo.com/global-protest...172705024.html

Cliffs:
Guy convicted of killing a cop.
Seven of nine original witnesses change testimony or recant.
No DNA or physical evidence.
Now witnesses claim someone else comitted the murder.
Defendant is...wait for it...

Spoiler:

Post your guess as to how many people have been freed from death row.

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09-16-2011 , 10:50 PM

MrWookie

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The dude was found guilty. Time to face UltimateJustice^TM

09-16-2011 , 10:53 PM

Ineedaride2

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From what I know about my state: he's in big trouble.

09-16-2011 , 10:55 PM

MrWookie

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Oh, and of course, no one has ever been freed from death row, because the justice system never fails.

09-16-2011 , 11:03 PM

Ineedaride2

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Oh, and of course, no one has ever been freed from death row, because the justice system never fails.

The more a person lambastes the government over how ineffectual it is as a whole, the more likely that person is to praise the government's ability to kill all the right people.

It's one of my 37 theories.

09-16-2011 , 11:06 PM

BigPoppa

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Originally Posted by Ineedaride2

The more a person lambastes the government over how ineffectual it is as a whole, the more likely that person is to praise the government's ability to kill all the right people.

I've never thought of it in those terms, but it's uncanny.

"The government is inefficient and corrupt. It never does anything right. Unless it's convicted someone of murder, cause then it's never wrong."

09-16-2011 , 11:14 PM

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by Ineedaride2

If this is the INAR Theorem, then the Wookie Caveat is "outside of people on this forum."

09-16-2011 , 11:17 PM

Ineedaride2

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Caveat accepted.

09-17-2011 , 12:23 AM

Coffee

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Doesn't sweat help conduction when they attach the cap to the head?

09-17-2011 , 12:36 PM

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Bump cos this shouldnt fall off the first page.

We could probably do with an execution mega thread, there seems to be discussion on it all the time and id love to see a pro execution person try and cover the case in the OP. At least with the Buck case in Texas it is known beyond reasonable doubt that he did murder two people so the defenders of ultimate justice got off easy on that one.

09-17-2011 , 12:55 PM

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EricLindros

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

The dude was found guilty. Time to face UltimateJustice^TM

Cue...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Republican Base

09-17-2011 , 04:02 PM

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MidyMat

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When I was a kid it was called a "One-way ticket to Jackson, Ga"

I just hope that we don't find out later that we killed a innocent man.

09-17-2011 , 04:40 PM

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loumike

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i dont think its the government that puts someone to death. its the 12 folks in the jury box.and this guy was found guilty not by the government but by 12 folks. therefor he must die. so sad but true.

09-17-2011 , 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by loumike

You dont care if innocent people are executed provided enough people are wrong about his guilt?

09-17-2011 , 07:15 PM

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13ball

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No one took a swipe at the number of people freed from death row. The answer is 138 since 1973.

The longest someone spent on death row before acquittal: 33 years.
11 spent over 20 years.
Average time served on death row: 9.8 years.
Number of cases cleared because of DNA testing: 17.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/inno...reed-death-row

09-17-2011 , 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 13ball

The important thing is that no innocent person has ever been executed. No innocent person has ever been executed. No innocent person has ever been executed. How many times do I have to repeat it before it becomes true?

09-17-2011 , 07:31 PM

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I am troubled by the fact that these 7 people are not brought up on Perjury charges for providing such dangerous and damning testimony which was admittedly (by the perpetrators themselves no less!) false under sworn oath and with full knowledge that they were testifying in a Capitol case.

Such behavior should not and can not be tolerated in an American courtroom.

09-17-2011 , 07:45 PM

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vhawk01

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Made a mistake, my bad, important thing is that I came clean eventually, guys.

Even more important, what are you gonna do, believe some sort of DNA or science cooked up by some nerd in his mothers basement or are you gonna believe something that people saw WITH THEIR OWN TWO EYES?!??!

09-17-2011 , 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by vhawk01

What DNA evidence needs to be reexamined in your opinion?

09-17-2011 , 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

Of all the things to take issue with in this case i think the prosecution of witnesses for perjury is going to be way down the list.

(assuming they weret prosecuted and ignoring why they did etc, i didnt look it up)

09-17-2011 , 08:14 PM

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poker1928

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Is this really that much different then executing 13 people each with a 95% chance of guilt, and thus a 50/50 chance of executing an innocent person?

09-17-2011 , 08:16 PM

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vhawk01

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

What DNA evidence needs to be reexamined in your opinion?

It was more of a general sarcastic comment about how there are still actual human beings in the world who think eye-witness testimony is actually valuable.

09-18-2011 , 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

I get your point, but if you prosecuted these kinds of things then nobody would recant testimony, which would be worse.

09-18-2011 , 12:35 AM

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How would "Nobody recanting testimony" be worse? If they'd told the truth the first time, they wouldn't need to recant in the first place.

Plus there is the other side, which is that without prosecution, you can freely accept cash and services to recant your statement years after testifying in a high profile case, without fear of any consequence.

09-18-2011 , 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

If people didn't have the disincentive not to lie on the stand and then you suddenly change the punishment, they won't come forward now. Pretty simple. And in most of these cases the witnesses were pressured into their testimony by law enforcement, so prosecuting perjury more often won't help. And people sometimes just change their minds about what they think happened. It would be a waste of time to try to figure out who was out and out lying and who was honestly reassessing what they think they saw.

As for your example, taking cash for testimony is obviously illegal.

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