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From LOL thought it'd be good here

Obama swears

http://www.aprilwinchell.com/?s=obama


I think this will be all the daily show needs for the next few years

http://www.aprilwinchell.com/media/a...OMPLICATED.mp3

This is bizarre. It's not like he's Gilbert Gottfried or something.

LOL those all are awesome!

Found this on dvorak.org
Extraordinary Color Photos Of Hitler & Nazis From Life Magazine

Looking tru these pix feels very weird, very surreal.

You jinxed it! Now I see 3 locked threads in the front page.

The nascar and the global warming lock are kinda ok, but I disaprove the america capitalism lock.

Volkswagen - Official Car of the NAZI Party

Pretty sure one of his requirements (actually, only requirement) was "not written by a white supremacist".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_DiLorenzo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_the_South

I'm being a little ham-handed here as I certainly can't tell you what Thomas DiLorenzo thinks; there's nothing overtly racist about his writing, but as we all learned when RP ran for President, this should demonstrate is that it's pretty hard to be part of the old dinosaur paleoconservative crowd that likes to spend their time jerking each other off about the South's Lost Cause and NOT have spent some time traveling in nutty circles with white supremacists. It's not entirely different from being a leftist politician from Chicago and having associations with Bill Ayers or something: DiLorenzo's only crime is guilt by association, because like I said, it's not like The Real Lincoln's cover flap has a picture of DiLorenzo in his Klan outfit.

But yeah, it's pretty hard to find anti-Lincoln books written by people who haven't once traveled in white supremacist circles, because the academic circles that trade in works sympathetic to the South naturally attract those kinds of people.

They should add that he hates poor people and children. Loves drugs and hookers.

What is it with finance ministers and their public appearances lately? Tim Geithner delivers a bomb of a speech and his Japanese counterpart gives a drunken press conference.

While I think the league of the south is not something that should be taken very seriously I think its unfair to say that they are racist.

The DOW is at 7583 right now.

The lowest low we had last year was 7449

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intel...le.jsp?aid=250

Completely normal things to say from the founder of a group that clearly is not at all racist and it would be unfair to call them such.

doesn't seem racist to me

i highly doubt anyone who has attended dilorenzo's seminars or read his books would consider him a racist/white supremacist

It's ok; the people who smear DiLorenzo as "racist" would not be caught dead reading anything he'd actually written, because then they might have to come to grips with historical facts, rather than insinuating he's a racist because he doesn't worship mass murdering white supremacist dictators.

I think I've been said on this forum, in debates about the Civil War and in other threads, that I've read The Real Lincoln and imo it's pretty bad. Almost comically so. But what I think of the book isn't all that relevant to this discussion, JuntMoney asked about anti-Lincoln books that weren't written by non-white-supremacists. But your supposition ("the people who smear DiLorenzo as "racist" would not be caught dead reading anything he'd actually written") is false. Although I'd also note that I don't seriously think DiLorenzo is a racist. At least I wouldn't state it with any confidence:

Which I think is almost universally true.

Besides, DiLorenzo greatly admires and quotes liberally another notorious Lincoln-hating white supremacist, Lerone Bennett, Jr., author of Forced Into Glory: Abraham Lincoln's White Dream.

The difference is that you are now linking to actual racist statements . How can anybody say that is not racist is beyond me.

Borodog, can you at least admit that DiLorenzo associates himself with racist people?

It certainly isn't that well written, but the facts are uncontroversial and the conclusions drawn from them straightforward, certainly in comparison to the contortions that have to be undertaken by the Lincoln apologists.

The smears with plausible deniability are the best kind, aren't they?

ship em to me and I will fix it

No.

As I said, DiLorenzo hasn't said or done anything overtly racist.

But he's a scholar at the League of the South. The SPLC chronicled (see link above) the organization, and the overtly (imo) racist statements and ideology of its founder and members.

People have complicated personal histories. It's a low content thread, I glibly responded to taso's by saying DiLorenzo was white supremacist. I can't cite anything he's written or done to demonstrate that, other than the people he's associated with. Guilt by association ftw. As I said, anyone in the business of publishing academic stuff that champions succession, is sympathetic to the South's cause in the Civil War, and hatred of Lincoln naturally attracts the white supremacist crowd.

Discerning the tangible differences between "people who champion succession, are sympathetic to the South's cause in the Civil War, and hatred of Lincoln because they hate black people" and "people who champion succession, are sympathetic to the South's cause in the Civil War, and hatred of Lincoln for other reasons" is difficult. But it's difficult because these two crowds frequently run in the same circles. Like DiLorenzo and the League of the South, and Ron Paul and his ghostwriter.

Savings Bonds? Go to a bank and ask them to cash them. It's pretty simple, there is a fixed value you can look them up on the web for which includes the starting value and how much interested they paid.