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Old 02-17-2009, 09:04 AM   #476
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Thomas DiLorenzo - The Real Lincoln


Man, I'm getting owned on my econ homework I have no idea what is going on.
We have a help thread.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/11...thread-382290/
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:27 AM   #477
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From LOL thought it'd be good here

Obama swears

http://www.aprilwinchell.com/?s=obama


I think this will be all the daily show needs for the next few years

http://www.aprilwinchell.com/media/a...OMPLICATED.mp3
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:44 AM   #478
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god, his voice is so awful.
This is bizarre. It's not like he's Gilbert Gottfried or something.
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LOL those all are awesome!
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:58 AM   #480
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Found this on dvorak.org
Extraordinary Color Photos Of Hitler & Nazis From Life Magazine

Looking tru these pix feels very weird, very surreal.
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ElliotR,

I approve of your modding style as of late.

Nice work, old chap.
You jinxed it! Now I see 3 locked threads in the front page.

The nascar and the global warming lock are kinda ok, but I disaprove the america capitalism lock.
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Volkswagen - Official Car of the NAZI Party

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Old 02-17-2009, 10:27 AM   #483
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What good anti-Lincoln/Civil War books are there that are not written by white supremacists?
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Thomas DiLorenzo - The Real Lincoln
Pretty sure one of his requirements (actually, only requirement) was "not written by a white supremacist".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_DiLorenzo

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Thomas J. DiLorenzo (born 1954) is an American economics professor at Loyola College in Maryland. He is an adherent of the Austrian School of Economics. He is a senior faculty member of the Ludwig von Mises Institute and an affiliated scholar of the League of the South Institute, the research arm of the League of the South and the Abbeville Institute.
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The issue of race has become a source of controversy about, and dispute within, the League of the South. Newspaper columnist Thomas B. Edsall has characterized the League of the South as an “extreme right” organization and a “white nationalist” group.[14] In the Summer of 2000 the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) labeled League of the South a "racist hate group" and issued a report filled with allegations of racist statements, especially by the League's President Michael Hill.
I'm being a little ham-handed here as I certainly can't tell you what Thomas DiLorenzo thinks; there's nothing overtly racist about his writing, but as we all learned when RP ran for President, this should demonstrate is that it's pretty hard to be part of the old dinosaur paleoconservative crowd that likes to spend their time jerking each other off about the South's Lost Cause and NOT have spent some time traveling in nutty circles with white supremacists. It's not entirely different from being a leftist politician from Chicago and having associations with Bill Ayers or something: DiLorenzo's only crime is guilt by association, because like I said, it's not like The Real Lincoln's cover flap has a picture of DiLorenzo in his Klan outfit.

But yeah, it's pretty hard to find anti-Lincoln books written by people who haven't once traveled in white supremacist circles, because the academic circles that trade in works sympathetic to the South naturally attract those kinds of people.

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They should add that he hates poor people and children. Loves drugs and hookers.
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What is it with finance ministers and their public appearances lately? Tim Geithner delivers a bomb of a speech and his Japanese counterpart gives a drunken press conference.
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While I think the league of the south is not something that should be taken very seriously I think its unfair to say that they are racist.
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The DOW is at 7583 right now.

The lowest low we had last year was 7449
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Old 02-17-2009, 11:13 AM   #488
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While I think the league of the south is not something that should be taken very seriously I think its unfair to say that they are racist.
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intel...le.jsp?aid=250

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To the founder and president of the League of the South (LOS), the 6-year-old organization that has emerged at the forefront of the neo-Confederate movement, the incidents in Biloxi — along with similar attacks on white women in New York City's Central Park by black and Hispanic men — represented a call to arms.

The assaults, he suggested, were not merely the handiwork of individuals. All minorities, in Hill's view, were responsible.

"It is time for us, as Southern whites, to look to our own well being and defense against these thugs," the one-time college professor wrote on AlaReb, an invitation-only, neo-Confederate discussion group on the Internet.

"Moreover, it is time we demand that respectable members of the 'minority community' control their debased 'brothers and sisters.' If they refuse, then we can only believe that they secretly condone such behavior. Let us not flinch when our enemies call us 'racists'; rather, just reply with, 'So, what's your point?'"
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Since then, the tone of the League has grown consistently more hard line. Its ideologues now openly reject the notion of egalitarianism, opting instead for the idea that society is composed of a God-given hierarchy of groups that should not necessarily have the same rights and privileges as one another. Hill now publicly decries racial intermarriage under any circumstances.

He says people other than white Christians would be allowed to live in his South, but only if they bow to "the cultural dominance of the Anglo-Celtic people and their institutions." Where the goal of secession was once largely rhetorical, it is now a seriously stated aim.

And, in a June posting on AlaReb, Hill called slavery a "God-ordained" institution.
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On white dominance: In his 1996 "President's Message," Hill said the South sought by the LOS is one "where the interests of the core population of Anglo-Celts is protected from the ravages of so-called multiculturalism and diversity." The "European majority," Hill adds, will accept "productive and sympathetic" people from other ethnic groups — but only "on its own terms."

Elsewhere, Hill says his goal is "the revitalization of general European cultural hegemony." And an official LOS position paper on race puts it like this: "Today's white Christian Southerners are the blood descendants of the men and women who settled this country and gave us the blessings of freedom and prosperity. To give away this inheritance in the name of 'equality' or 'fairness' would be unconscionable."
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On segregation: "The destruction of states rights in the South," Hill wrote in 1998, "was the first necessity leading to forced policies undermining the cultural dominance of the Anglo-Celtic people and its institutions. [Arch-segregationist Alabama Gov. George] Wallace rightly identified the enemy and fought it until the attempt on his life in 1972."
Completely normal things to say from the founder of a group that clearly is not at all racist and it would be unfair to call them such.

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Old 02-17-2009, 11:24 AM   #489
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doesn't seem racist to me
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Old 02-17-2009, 11:33 AM   #490
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i highly doubt anyone who has attended dilorenzo's seminars or read his books would consider him a racist/white supremacist
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It's ok; the people who smear DiLorenzo as "racist" would not be caught dead reading anything he'd actually written, because then they might have to come to grips with historical facts, rather than insinuating he's a racist because he doesn't worship mass murdering white supremacist dictators.
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I think I've been said on this forum, in debates about the Civil War and in other threads, that I've read The Real Lincoln and imo it's pretty bad. Almost comically so. But what I think of the book isn't all that relevant to this discussion, JuntMoney asked about anti-Lincoln books that weren't written by non-white-supremacists. But your supposition ("the people who smear DiLorenzo as "racist" would not be caught dead reading anything he'd actually written") is false. Although I'd also note that I don't seriously think DiLorenzo is a racist. At least I wouldn't state it with any confidence:

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I'm being a little ham-handed here as I certainly can't tell you what Thomas DiLorenzo thinks; there's nothing overtly racist about his writing, but as we all learned when RP ran for President, this should demonstrate is that it's pretty hard to be part of the old dinosaur paleoconservative crowd that likes to spend their time jerking each other off about the South's Lost Cause and NOT have spent some time traveling in nutty circles with white supremacists.
Which I think is almost universally true.
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Besides, DiLorenzo greatly admires and quotes liberally another notorious Lincoln-hating white supremacist, Lerone Bennett, Jr., author of Forced Into Glory: Abraham Lincoln's White Dream.
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Completely normal things to say from the founder of a group that clearly is not at all racist and it would be unfair to call them such.
The difference is that you are now linking to actual racist statements . How can anybody say that is not racist is beyond me.
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Borodog, can you at least admit that DiLorenzo associates himself with racist people?
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I think I've been said on this forum, in debates about the Civil War and in other threads, that I've read The Real Lincoln and imo it's pretty bad. Almost comically so.
It certainly isn't that well written, but the facts are uncontroversial and the conclusions drawn from them straightforward, certainly in comparison to the contortions that have to be undertaken by the Lincoln apologists.

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But what I think of the book isn't all that relevant to this discussion, JuntMoney asked about anti-Lincoln books that weren't written by non-white-supremacists. But your supposition ("the people who smear DiLorenzo as "racist" would not be caught dead reading anything he'd actually written") is false. Although I'd also note that I don't seriously think DiLorenzo is a racist. At least I wouldn't state it with any confidence:

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I'm being a little ham-handed here as I certainly can't tell you what Thomas DiLorenzo thinks; there's nothing overtly racist about his writing, but as we all learned when RP ran for President, this should demonstrate is that it's pretty hard to be part of the old dinosaur paleoconservative crowd that likes to spend their time jerking each other off about the South's Lost Cause and NOT have spent some time traveling in nutty circles with white supremacists.
Which I think is almost universally true.
The smears with plausible deniability are the best kind, aren't they?
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anyone here have any experience cashing government bonds plz PM me asap kthnx
ship em to me and I will fix it
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Borodog, can you at least admit that DiLorenzo associates himself with racist people?
No.
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The smears with plausible deniability are the best kind, aren't they?
As I said, DiLorenzo hasn't said or done anything overtly racist.

But he's a scholar at the League of the South. The SPLC chronicled (see link above) the organization, and the overtly (imo) racist statements and ideology of its founder and members.

People have complicated personal histories. It's a low content thread, I glibly responded to taso's by saying DiLorenzo was white supremacist. I can't cite anything he's written or done to demonstrate that, other than the people he's associated with. Guilt by association ftw. As I said, anyone in the business of publishing academic stuff that champions succession, is sympathetic to the South's cause in the Civil War, and hatred of Lincoln naturally attracts the white supremacist crowd.

Discerning the tangible differences between "people who champion succession, are sympathetic to the South's cause in the Civil War, and hatred of Lincoln because they hate black people" and "people who champion succession, are sympathetic to the South's cause in the Civil War, and hatred of Lincoln for other reasons" is difficult. But it's difficult because these two crowds frequently run in the same circles. Like DiLorenzo and the League of the South, and Ron Paul and his ghostwriter.
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Savings Bonds? Go to a bank and ask them to cash them. It's pretty simple, there is a fixed value you can look them up on the web for which includes the starting value and how much interested they paid.
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