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09-19-2015 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Uh, we're making fun of you because you're using the concept of "extrajudicial" in a silly and totally nonstandard way. It is exclusively used to refer to something that the State does -- extrajudicial killings, extrajudicial imprisonment, etc. No one refers to stuff like college or employer discipline as "extrajudicial".
Including me. Good work!
09-19-2015 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
The extrajudicial and aggressive interpretations of title ix that have caused schools to reflexively kick out students without due process.
uhhhhhhhh you realize we can just like scroll back and see what you've written, right???
09-19-2015 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
uhhhhhhhh you realize we can just like scroll back and see what you've written, right???
uhhhh you realize that is the government doing that and not the schools?
09-19-2015 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
lol who is arguing about anything the school not being allowed to expel a student extra-judiciously?

You guys have ****ing lost it.
OK, but my school used a preponderance standard in plagiarism cases. Abomination?
09-19-2015 , 12:24 PM
So like there are like black ops Department of Education paramilitary types going around and dealing with bros with extreme prejudice? Sounds scary!
09-19-2015 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
OK, but my school used a preponderance standard in plagiarism cases. Abomination?
Do they have a system with judges who are blinded by an ideology about how you should believe that every man accused is a plagiarizer? Do the rules not allow you to see or challenge the evidence against you? If so, yeah that's really bad. If not, then it's not a problem.
09-19-2015 , 12:28 PM
But seriously, what is "extrajudicious" about what the government is doing? I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.
09-19-2015 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
But seriously, what is "extrajudicious" about what the government is doing? I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.
well maybe if you read the posts or the thread instead of just trolling everywhere, it would help.
09-19-2015 , 12:34 PM
Right right. "The government" is doing SOMETHING "extrajudicious". Sounds scary! Of course, when pressed you can't actually say what the government is doing. SHOCKING! Run along then.
09-19-2015 , 12:38 PM
You said that "the government's" interpretation of Title IX is "extrajudicious". Which of course makes no sense. An interpretation of a law can't be "extrajudicious" unless the agency operates outside of the nation's legal framework and isn't accountable to the authority of any court.
09-19-2015 , 12:42 PM
Like, Lincoln interpreting that he had the power to suspend habeas corpus and ignoring an adverse Supreme Court decision was an extrajudicial action. This, whatever you're talking about...isn't.
09-19-2015 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
So like there are like black ops Department of Education paramilitary types going around and dealing with bros with extreme prejudice? Sounds scary!
I definitely had no idea that this was true, probably because ikes was a disinfo false flag shill spamming this thread with

A) Bizarre chain emails about mens rea
B) Nonsensical complaints about drunk sex=rape policies that don't exist
C) Some poster in South Carolina? It's getting hazy, it might have been North Carolina. I also don't remember why it hurt ikes' feelings.
D) That wrestler in Tennessee who totally raped a girl

instead of this very real and very serious problem of bros getting black bagged and extraordinarily rendered to Syria for their suspension hearings.
09-19-2015 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Do they have a system with judges who are blinded by an ideology about how you should believe that every man accused is a plagiarizer? Do the rules not allow you to see or challenge the evidence against you? If so, yeah that's really bad. If not, then it's not a problem.
MISANDRY: THE HIDDEN BRO-SLAYING CONSPIRACY: OBAMA'S WAR ON MEN: A 2014 MEMO* GETTING BLAMED FOR WHAT A COLLEGE DID IN 2012 MAKES TOTAL SENSE: BITCHES BE LYING

with a forward from Dick Morris

*Important to note it was just a memo, not like really even a rule or regulation, just recommended guidance to colleges

Last edited by FlyWf; 09-19-2015 at 01:50 PM.
09-19-2015 , 01:49 PM
Fly I'm not sure you could be more blatant in making **** up to refute. Maybe if you make 5 more posts asserting it will come true.
09-19-2015 , 01:52 PM
What did I make up?

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So what's your issue, then? What concern have you brought to us? You turboposted that Slate article here just as soon as you got unbanned...

Was that supposed to change my mind about something? What position do you think I held on Sept 14th that reading that article would make me re-evaluate?
Why did you ignore this post?

What the **** is your POINT? For God's sake just spit it out.
09-19-2015 , 01:53 PM
I didn't ignore the post. The point is that due process is not being provided. This is in part due to pressure from the federal government.
09-19-2015 , 01:58 PM
1) I don't believe you that due process is not being provided. A handful of lawsuits is not evidence of a systemic problem. There are thousands of violations of due process, all the time, even in the criminal court system. What was that Slate article supposed to make me change my mind about?

2) I definitely don't believe you about the federal government part, because after you provided NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER for that claim Double Eagle went and found a federal government publication that explicitly said the opposite of your whining, that recommended due process and standardized procedures and stuff.

3) If your concern is suddenly procedural, what the **** was up with your posts about secret ideologues as recently as slightly earlier this afternoon?
09-19-2015 , 01:59 PM
So you're going to no true scotsman, and make up some other bull****. I'm not sure why I bother.
09-19-2015 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
I'm not using it in any such way. Extra-judicial was only in regards to the federal government re-intepreting law in a way that requires a preponderance standard. The law of course, says no such thing.
Weren't you in favor of the preponderance standard the last time this came up?
09-19-2015 , 02:05 PM
I'm only in favor of preponderance if you have proper protections for the accused and a fair judge. I'm absolutely not in favor of the federal government imposing that standard.
09-19-2015 , 02:05 PM
What do you WANT, ikes? What change in what law or what procedure? Some days it's cross examination, other days it's the standard of proof, but other days you're claiming that the adjudicators are all biased anyway so why would that **** matter? Like a misandrist SJW feminazi judge will be helpless against the incredible burden of saying that she finds by clear and convincing evidence the accused is responsible?

What did the government do wrong here?

What has offended Mommy's Little Prince so much that we're nearly post 9,000 without you ever spitting up a ****ing thesis?
09-19-2015 , 02:22 PM
Males are being discriminated against!!!!
09-19-2015 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
I'm only in favor of preponderance if you have proper protections for the accused and a fair judge.
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
What do you WANT, ikes? What change in what law or what procedure?
I assume Ikes is saying that he wants a higher standard than simple preponderance for a "guilty" finding to counterbalance what he perceives to be the oftentimes inadequate rights for the accused and corrupt fact-finders.
09-19-2015 , 02:44 PM
oh and fly, the dear colleague preponderance of evidence letter is from 2011. Why do you bother?
09-19-2015 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
oh and fly, the dear colleague preponderance of evidence letter is from 2011. Why do you bother?
Because it's funny to embarrass you?

Like, is that now the thing you're angry about? That letter? What part of that letter?

Again, as recently as slightly earlier this afternoon the preponderance standard was fine(and clearly, on substance, the preponderance standard is not merely unobjectionable, it is the appropriate standard to use).

      
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