Funny how having to walk around campus knowing that the guy who anally raped you is walking free to rape you or any other women again can traumatize a person.

Great point wookie, who could have thought of that?

I wasn't being sarcastic.

Not sure, but apparently 5 dudes getting stern warnings they may not have deserved is a terrible tragedy, but a girl getting anally raped and traumatized to the point of being unable to function at school while her attacker, while found "responsible," was given no more than a slap on the wrist is not even threadworthy.

uh huh i didn't even think this was thread worthy. carry on wookie.

Also, found responsible? She says they didn't pursue the complaint.

Well, you kinda did:

Ike's points are all logical and irrefutable. However I don't agree with them. At all.

I went to Brown University in the late 70's. There was an incident at a Fraternity when I was a Freshman or Sophomore. Its hard to remember now.

At Brown drinking is like what everybody did pretty much every weekend. Back then you could drink when you were 18. I'm guessing there is a lot of drinking still done at most Universities.

Anyway, Fraternities were where there were parties every weekend and alcohol was always available.

One Sunday morning at a Fraternity, a young woman woke up lying on the Floor naked in front of the bar in a pool of her own vomit. Approximately 4 or 5 guys had had "consensual" sex with her the night before. At least that was the story. There might have been a probation or two handed out. Nobody faced criminal charges. Nobody faced expulsion. I don't think anyone was suspended (but I could be wrong about that).

I'm sure the young men had been drinking about as much as the young woman.

I think this is why the rules have been written up the way they have. If it discriminates against men well then so be it. I have yet to hear of a drunk man's penis being violated by a woman's vagina.

I think that by and large most people who have been drinking together know when their partner to be is close to being incapacitated. I think it is reasonable to ask the young men to think about whether or not the young woman they are with really understands the meaning of their question.

In the cases where there is real consent and both parties have been drinking, I sincerely doubt that the woman will be claiming she has been raped. But when a woman does claim she has been raped I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. And I for one am very glad the Universities have finally come around to start protecting their female students.

i wonder if not pursuing the complaint led to her flunking out..

Read the thread dude. The rules haven't been written in a discriminatory manner (if there is discrimination it's in the implementation) and we've established that men's penises are indeed violated by a woman's vagina.

I mean yeota has quite the history of making up stuff about women on the Internet.

Given the mountain of evidence about how yeota is racist, sexist, takes amusement in the misfortune of others, and generally acts like a 14-yr-old schoolyard bully towards women especially, there's virtually a 0% chance that he is anywhere close to as innocent as he claims. That's just me playing armchair psychologist/prosecutor, but goddamn - I made a silly half-joke in the SE FAQ when yeota posted that he wasn't going to be able to attend his friend's wedding - i basically said "what, is it within 500 yards of a school?" ...and was not at all surprised when in fact essentially this situation was why he could not attend the wedding

Are you saying no guy has ever woken up with little or no recollection and was horrified to find a horse faced she beast laying next to him?

Sounds to me very much like rape according to the metric we have set

Unfortunately he takes a yadda-yadda-yadda approach to the facts -- making out, try for more and get denied, go out to get a fritter and the next thing he knows she's talking about having people beat him up and he's been charged with assault? Just like that?

In what ways did she change her story, since they obviously agree they were fooling around and he was pushing for more before being kicked out/leaving in a huff. How constantly are we talking, here, it seems like it wasn't a case involving multiple depositions.

My read is that she was obviously disturbed by it and he's glossing over how forceful he was being; either he doesn't estimate it as forceful as she did, or didn't realize he had wandered into criminal territory.

Or he's just lying because he's been shown to be a lying liar on the internet

he has been shown to be both a liar AND completely unaware of how much of a ****ty person that he continually is

I actually give Yeota the benefit of the doubt on that one, I think the "yada yada" part is more that he's very guarded about sharing much about it at all, which seems reasonable. Not to say he isn't clueless at at time dishonest, but this just feels different.

Either way it's kinda pointless because whatever happened it's just one example and thus doesn't really mean much in the broader conversation.

I don't understand why the women in the stories are not going to the police. If it's really rape, holy ****. How ******ed is it for a university to step in and merely suspend a student for a year for rape? They should be referring the case to the police straight away.

The standards for the school are much, much, much lower than the criminal system. A finding of responsibility does not translate well to a guilty verdict or even a viable investigation at the criminal justice level.

That is a feature, not a bug.

thanks for your brilliant insight phill, it's also why women will go to the school but not the police.

Ikes I'm saying the schools shouldn't be the one's handling the cases. If someone got stabbed in a school in one of those universities, would the university only hand out a year-long suspension for the assailant? If they are doing that then LOL America.

They should be bringing in the police for a stabbing case. Rape is an equally serious offense so they should be referring all cases to the police as well.

Theft on the other hand is less serious so a school could proably handle the situation themselves. But we're talking about rape cases for goodness sake.

I understand what you're saying. It's not going to work. The police have to work towards a standard of beyond reasonable doubt. For a **** ton of rape cases, that standard simply will not be met because of how a ton of rape cases are purely he said/she said. In that situation, it's rare for authorities to bring charges, and that's actually correct. You're left with no punishment at all.

That kind of situation doesn't really exist with a stabbing.

Here's a buzz feed article basically going over the thread

http://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbaker...pists?s=mobile

so fly's characterization of this guy as a random dude, not entirely accurate.

Man, if you told most people that someone could be a victim of one of the most traumatizing kinds of crimes and yet in the vast majority of cases the authorities would be unable to reach a conclusion on whether or not a crime even occurred let alone who perpetrated it, they would call that a failure of the system rather than calling it absolutely correct.