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04-18-2016 , 01:47 PM

#10526

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GermanGuy

Anyone afraid of the word "socialist" a.k.a. low-Information voters.
People who think Bernie isn't more attackable from the right than Hillary must not have been alive during the swiftboat-fiasco of 2004. Hillary isn't as vulnerable to attacks like these because she has a well established image.

That would be a much bigger problem if Bernie weren't out. He's owning being a socialist. He's not getting swiftboated on it.

04-18-2016 , 01:58 PM

#10527

crimedopay420

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Quote:

Originally Posted by campfirewest

Yes, I almost always vote GOP. Choosing between Sanders and Trump would be like deciding what Fear Factor meal to eat every day for the next 4 years so hopefully it doesn't come to that. The only scenario where I would vote Trump would be if he was against Sanders. My order is: Kasich, Hillary, Cruz, Trump, Sanders.

If you really hate trump and Cruz that much then shouldn't you put Bernie ahead of them? He should be pretty feckless due to the congress and then some Paul Ryan type can skate right in there in 2020.

Trump and Cruz would have a much better opportunity to do some damage with R majorities.

04-18-2016 , 02:09 PM

#10528

GermanGuy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

That would be a much bigger problem if Bernie weren't out. He's owning being a socialist. He's not getting swiftboated on it.

I don't have any evidence for this, but I think low-information voters that don't vote in primaries mostly don't know enough about him to know that. And my perception of Americans could be off, but I think reacting to a scaremongering "He's a socialist" attack ad by answering "Yes, I am, so whadaboudit?" might be the optimal strategy in that scenario, but still doesn't seem like it would lead to an overall positive result.

04-18-2016 , 02:20 PM

#10529

Huehuecoyotl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul D

That's exactly what the Romer's were referring to. They failed to include the word average in your quote, but did so previously. It's clear what they referring to in the context of both papers.

The word average isn't so much the problem as the "in X straight years" is. It implies a straight line growth when Freidman's analysis doesn't show that.

Anyways this is a retread of when the Democrat economists' paper came out. I said then that the average GDP % was probably too high and Sanders should just take a blackboard marker and cross out 5% and write 2% and then everything's all good, average growth with universal health insurance and family leave and universal education.

04-18-2016 , 02:22 PM

#10530

Paul D

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Yes, the word average is the problem. Average doesn't imply straight line growth. The word should have been included.

04-18-2016 , 02:30 PM

#10531

TalkingDonkey

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

I vote Cruz v Bernie 10000%
Vote Hillary v Trump 1000000%
Vote Hillary v Cruz 100%
In Trump v Bernie I volunteer for a third party that isn't stupid as ****

yeah i just don't vote for Sanders and then probably just change my registration

04-18-2016 , 04:19 PM

#10532

sirio11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ludacris

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...-return-222041

So, just one year?

Why is that? Jane didn't find the rest?

04-18-2016 , 05:39 PM

#10533

ALLTheCookies

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ludacris

If they're no big deal and don't contain anything her supporters don't already know, then what's the harm in releasing them?

This sounds a lot like the stuff used to rationalize spying by the NSA after 9/11. "If you haven’t done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about."

04-18-2016 , 05:53 PM

#10534

ludacris

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They're not remotely the same thing.

04-18-2016 , 05:53 PM

#10535

Louis Cyphre

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Apples and oranges. Private citizens aren't running for president.

04-18-2016 , 05:54 PM

#10536

vixticator

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GermanGuy

Anyone afraid of the word "socialist" a.k.a. low-Information voters.
People who think Bernie isn't more attackable from the right than Hillary must not have been alive during the swiftboat-fiasco of 2004. Hillary isn't as vulnerable to attacks like these because she has a well established image.

I don't think so, brah. Bernie Sanders so-called socialism, sure, I agree that it's nothing to be afraid of, but socialism-socialism would be a complete disaster.

04-18-2016 , 05:57 PM

#10537

ALLTheCookies

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ludacris

They're not remotely the same thing.

I said it sounds like it.

04-18-2016 , 06:01 PM

#10538

ludacris

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Lots of things sound like lots of other things, but unless you're making an actual comparison what is the point in saying it? It SOUNDED LIKE you were making a comparision.

04-18-2016 , 06:27 PM

#10539

Tien

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GermanGuy

Bernie socialism is not even "socialism" per se. He's advocating for single payer and lower cost of education, which in Canada is a public expense and Canada is far from being "socialist".

He's talking about moving the US more to the middle. Financially I have no idea how he can ever do that without drastic upheavals in the status quo.

04-18-2016 , 06:47 PM

#10540

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GDP per capita 19% higher than Germany, 35% higher than France - seems like it wouldn't be that drastic of an upheaval. (ok, in France public universities are 183 EU per year.)

04-18-2016 , 06:50 PM

#10541

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If free college tuition is such a fairy tale and would ruin life as we know it, maybe we should stop free education after 8th grade and we'd have utopia.

04-18-2016 , 06:56 PM

#10542

Tien

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The only thing I disagree with is that actual cost universities are charging for degrees knowing there is a buyer at that price since loans are guaranteed by government.

I don't agree with taking large amounts of extra tax from private sector, to fork it over to universities charging whatever the hell they want for "degrees". Maybe I'm wrong since I didn't go to college in US but thats from what I read about the costs of education.

04-18-2016 , 07:02 PM

#10543

sirio11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ludacris

If they're no big deal and don't contain anything her supporters don't already know, then what's the harm in releasing them?

You guys can't be really this dense? right?

Why should she give people like you a negative freeroll? It does not matter what she says in her speeches, interviews, debates, anywhere !!
Bernie cult followers will find a way to spin it negatively.

04-18-2016 , 07:09 PM

#10544

iron81

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It's gonna be hilarious when she releases them on a Friday afternoon 2 weeks after Bernie drops out.

04-18-2016 , 07:13 PM

#10545

pvn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dids

The vast majority of Hillary's supporters don't hold her in the same Saint-like reverence that y'all do Bernie. We're (yeah, whatever, sure I guess I'm riding with Hilldawg) already well aware of the degree to which she's comprised. You grossly overestimate the impact these sorts of revelations might have.

so why not release the transcripts, then?

04-18-2016 , 07:19 PM

#10546

dessin d'enfant

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sirio11

And even if there is nothing bad in them (which is likely) they dominate a couple of cycles if you release them. No need to since there isn't a ton of cost to not releasing them.

04-18-2016 , 07:22 PM

#10547

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iron81

It's gonna be hilarious when she releases them on a Friday afternoon 2 weeks after Bernie drops out.

Bernie is riding this at least as far as Hillary did in '08.

04-18-2016 , 09:26 PM

#10548

ludacris

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sirio11

Yeah, just look at how Bernie supporters took 'CP Time' and spun it like it was something racist!

04-18-2016 , 09:29 PM

#10549

Paul D

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We can look back at Berniebros throwing African Americans under the bus for not voting for him.

04-18-2016 , 09:32 PM

#10550

ludacris

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And it was only a couple months ago when feministbros tried to guilt women for voting for Bernie.

What's that got to do with spinning something that Hillary says?

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