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08-28-2009 , 04:34 PM
Ok, so let's separate the wheat and chaff here:

WHEAT: There is a set of food standards promulgated by an organization called the Codex Alimentarius Commission. See here.

CHAFF: The fact that a standard exists does not at all imply that following it is mandatory. I happen to know a good deal about international standards and standards-setting and I can give dozens of examples of standards that are not legally mandatory, standards that are legally mandatory, and standards that are not legally mandatory but are de facto mandatory.

So.....before I'd get interested enough in this to want to learn more, I'd want to know the basis for the claim that any of these standards are "mandatory" such that

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they will not only make the treatment of food with toxic chemicals in all foods mandatory, but they will also be bringing back 7, I kid you not, 7 of the 12 world-wide banned POPS( persistent organic pollutants), one of them being HEXACHLOROBENZENE, which acording to wikipedia was responsible for fatally poisoning over 500 people and making ill 4,000 people who ingested bread from HCB-treated seeds in Turkey.
and

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all farms including organic farms will be required to abide by these regulations, which means that you will be forced to ingest these carcinogens/toxins against your will.
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08-28-2009 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by krnpeoples
Have you guys ever heard of Codex Alimentarius? Apparently, it's a new set of guidelines for food that will be implemented globally starting later this year in December 31.

Under this new law
So I'm no lawyer nor an expert here, I really didn't read any of the links, but:

1) Codex Alimentarius is not American law ldo, the FDA is responsible for regulating and supervising the safety of foods, dietary supplements, drugs, vaccines, biological medical products, blood products, medical devices, radiation-emitting devices, veterinary products, and cosmetics. This is not really up for debate, it's just an empirical fact, that I think most of us are already well aware of. The FDA does not share this responsibility with any international organizations. FDA sets legal standards in America, the safety of foods, dietary supplements, drugs, vaccines, biological medical products, blood products, medical devices, radiation-emitting devices, veterinary products, and cosmetics, and no one else does. That's why there are some cancer treatments that are legal in Paraguay but not in the US, and why there are some vitamin supplements that are regulated in Sweden but are unmolested in the US, etc.

Someone can contradict me with better knowledge but I don't anticipate this happening, I really don't think this is some esoteric knowledge.

So calling a Codex Alimentarius standard "law" in the US is obviously not true. If OP meant this is "law" in some other country because they just codify Codex Alimentarius standards as their own, I suppose that's plausible enough, I have no idea.

2) However, the WTO has imposed duties on countries who failed to meet certain Codex Alimentarius standards. Obviously some standards get ignored and the WTO does nothing. But, assuming this (or anything) becomes a Codex Alimentarius standard, and the US law does not correspondingly adjust its regulations, there's precedent that the WTO would put duties on American products being sold in overseas markets. This would obviously cause a lot of pressure for the FDA to react, which they may or may not do.

So I guess that's a threat to Americans, assuming any of what's described in the OP is actually threatening or true. I admittedly didn't read the specifics.

Last edited by DVaut1; 08-28-2009 at 05:08 PM.
08-28-2009 , 05:10 PM
It's named in Latin. That's nefarious enough for me.
08-28-2009 , 05:14 PM
FWD: FWD: FWD: something something Latin name something evil something youtube

I wanna take it more seriously than that because RB said to but I just can't, sorry

e: what's the conspiracy theory: honest concern ratio of posts that have "watch this video, it will open your eyes" youtube links in them?
08-28-2009 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
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I'm pretty sure this is bogus. I probably would have seen this mentioned or heard about it from someone. I read a decent amount of potato and vegetable grower publications and I haven't run across this. My dad is friends and in regular contact with a lot of owners of very very large farming operations (ie. The Dudas, their family owns one of the largest vegetable growing operations in the world) and he hasn't mentioned it even in passing. I mean it is possible, but highly unlikely. I'll ask him about it next time I see him. (he will probably laugh at me.
08-28-2009 , 05:16 PM
I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.
08-28-2009 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by adanthar
FWD: FWD: FWD: something something Latin name something evil something youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhnPaiSFVSE
08-28-2009 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Wynton
How much more do you earn per year as a member of the international-cabal-to-poison-our-precious-bodily-fluids?
I´m sure he makes A KILLING! Everyone knows what water fluoridation leads to! Don`t forget to forward this to 10 people otherwise you`re grandma will get cancer.

08-28-2009 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by adanthar
e: what's the conspiracy theory: honest concern ratio of posts that have "watch this video, it will open your eyes" youtube links in them?
Conspiracy theory and honest concern aren't mutually exclusive. I mean, I think most of the people who post ThisWillReallyMakeYouThink Youtube videos are sincere and genuine in their concern that there's some cabal of people clandestinely trying to do them harm, that their plots and schemes are hard to decipher, that some Youtube video maker has discovered it, and that they want to know the truth.

I think the real ratio we should be concerned about is conspiracy theory:actual demonstrable, observable, factual phenomenon, not just whether the Youtube linker has a sincere concern. I mean most "Stars RNG bots rigged action flops and doomswitched cash outs" threads in the Zoo, or "everyone is colluding against me at such and such stakes" in the various start forums suck because someone took a couple of beats and have fanciful, ill-conceived, and preposterous evidence to support their conclusion, not because the OP doesn't sincerely believe Stars is rigged. Same in Politics imo.

Last edited by DVaut1; 08-28-2009 at 07:19 PM.
08-28-2009 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
I'm pretty sure this is bogus. I probably would have seen this mentioned or heard about it from someone. I read a decent amount of potato and vegetable grower publications and I haven't run across this. My dad is friends and in regular contact with a lot of owners of very very large farming operations (ie. The Dudas, their family owns one of the largest vegetable growing operations in the world) and he hasn't mentioned it even in passing. I mean it is possible, but highly unlikely. I'll ask him about it next time I see him. (he will probably laugh at me.
Sorry for the double post, I'm drunk... I'm at a OAR concert. I don't know any of their music, I'm just here with friends
08-28-2009 , 08:50 PM
OAR sucks
08-28-2009 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by tubasteve
OAR sucks
I thought you were badmouthing the Office for AIDS Research until I realized how old I am.
08-28-2009 , 09:36 PM
aids researchers do rock, but alas, nope.
08-28-2009 , 11:17 PM


Mass Medication

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The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany's Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride's supposed effect on children's teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission. (Ref. book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin.)
http://tuberose.com/Fluoride.html


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08-28-2009 , 11:34 PM
Great! I gotta buy me a water distiller.
08-29-2009 , 06:32 AM
" The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany's Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride's supposed effect on children's teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission. (Ref. book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin.)"

hmmm so all the other scientists/doctors/dentists that have recommended using it for years, in probably much different levels of concentration, are all covering up the fact that it actually makes people incredibly impotent? gimme a break...
08-29-2009 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JMP300z
As a dentist, I fully endorse water fluoridation. It is often very clear when examining a patient's dentition whether they were raised off fluoridated public water or well water without supplements. Additionally, the concentrations in our public water are well controlled and not close to toxic.
Do you know that it's almost impossible to find a toothpaste without fluoride?

Also, not all public water is fluoridated.

So your endorsement seems based on false reasons.
08-29-2009 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Nielsio
Do you know that it's almost impossible to find a toothpaste without fluoride?
I think whole foods carries several different brands of non-fluoridated toothpaste. But 99% of toothpaste-selling-stores will only have fluoridated.
08-29-2009 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by tubasteve
" The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany's Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride's supposed effect on children's teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission. (Ref. book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin.)"

hmmm so all the other scientists/doctors/dentists that have recommended using it for years, in probably much different levels of concentration, are all covering up the fact that it actually makes people incredibly impotent? gimme a break...
I can learn from a book that 2+2 = 5, but that does not make me an expert on math. Dentists do not make money from you having healthy teeth, either. Plenty of dentists do not advocate fluoride, although they are in the minority.
08-29-2009 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Nielsio
Do you know that it's almost impossible to find a toothpaste without fluoride?

Also, not all public water is fluoridated.

So your endorsement seems based on false reasons.
Yea there are some good unfluoridated toothpastes, like Periobrite (available at whole foods). People with money will believe any scam though amirite?
08-30-2009 , 08:30 AM
provide some evidence...
08-30-2009 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by tubasteve
provide some evidence...
no u.

People from Italy are usually gorgeous and their water is unmedicated (unfluoridated). Ppl from the UK get fluoridated water. I know sum rich ppl and they steer clear of fluoridated toothpaste and don't drink Dasani water. Blind taste test ice cold tap water between your choice of Aqua Panna, Mountain Valley, Iceland Spring, or Penta water and decide which you prefer.
08-30-2009 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by tubasteve
OAR sucks

Their music may suck but hot girls love it, and that's almost as important, imo.
08-30-2009 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
Their music may suck but hot girls love it, and that's almost as important, imo.
Yes but none of them are gonna even look at you since all the male fans are fudge packers........ sorry bud.
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