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10-03-2014 , 11:38 AM

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neg3sd

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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken

It is no doubt lost on most Americans that HK is protesting more or less the same version of elections that we have here.

No, it is like having the Bush family choosing the democratic candidate for president.

10-03-2014 , 11:49 AM

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Paul D

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Nice

10-03-2014 , 03:46 PM

#53

Deuces McKracken

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Originally Posted by 5kids2feed

Yes but it is ludicrous to draw an equivalency to two averse examples simply because both are averse when example A is worse than B. You are factually correct to note that common core and nclb are bad but incorrect to imply they are similar to the state loyalty demanded in China simply because both are bad. Whole different level that doesn't require much explanation.

I was talking about our electoral politics, not common core. The protestors are against the setting up of "elections" in the same way we set up elections here, which is a farce in which the range of candidates and ideologies is severely restricted by powerful elites towards their own self interest.

10-03-2014 , 05:56 PM

#54

PokerSpiv

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Originally Posted by EYESCREW

Not if there's enough support from the rest of the free world.

The rest of the world can offer all the support they want, but they won't actually do anything about it, even if Chinese police start gunning down protesters on live TV.

The lives of a few protesters aren't worth the possibility of thermonuclear war.

10-03-2014 , 07:19 PM

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spike420211

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Originally Posted by Ashington

Ahhh, yes, the Glenn Beck school of geography...

10-03-2014 , 08:29 PM

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Dowie

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Originally Posted by Alan C. Lawhon

Was a Violent Confrontation Inevitable?

I remember watching the formal ceremony on CNN back in 1997 when the British handed over Hong Kong to the mainland communist government. This transfer of sovereignty occurred less than ten years after Tiananmen. I'm no expert on Hong Kong-British history, but one has to wonder if it didn't occur to the Brits that (sooner or later) it would come to this?

Tiananmen prompted some changes to UK immigration law and a wave of immigration from HK to the US, UK, Canada etc.. aside from that there wasn't much they could do about it... China basically threatened to turn the water off, UK was in no position to hang on by force... lease was due to run out on the new territories & China wanted HK Island back too - they couldn't feasibly be separated. UK tried to bring HK into the negotiations too as a third party which China refused to agree to. Obviously they didn't want to kill off what is a valuable asset so eventually agreed to the one country two systems policy and to keep it in place, with HK being more or less autonomous for 50 years.

There were only a few thousand people there when the UK arrived, by the time of the handover there was a population of over 6 million, big economy, free press, proper justice system etc..etc.. Would have been nice if HK was an independent nation along the lines of Singapore (albeit without the quasi-dictatorship Singapore has).

Last edited by Dowie; 10-03-2014 at 08:34 PM.

10-04-2014 , 03:57 AM

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Bremen

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What's Happening in Hong Kong is Not What You Think | China Uncensored

Cliffs: Hong Kong is a pawn in a power struggle in Beijing.

10-04-2014 , 06:32 AM

#58

Private_Snowball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by neg3sd

No, it is like having the Bush family choosing the democratic candidate for president.

As opposed to having Goldman Sachs selecting both the Republican and Democratic candidates.

10-04-2014 , 08:38 AM

#59

neg3sd

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If Goldman Sachs had that much power Hillary would be president, not Obama.

10-04-2014 , 09:31 AM

#60

MidyMat

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofyballer

Mainland Chinese visiting Hong Kong take in the protests

Some are supportive, some respond with apathy.

Now Map Pron:

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Argyle Street and Nathan Road, Mong Kok area: The attacks began in Mong Kok, an area that protesters had been occupying since Sunday. Men tried to remove protesters and their makeshift shelters from the street.

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SOGO and Hysan Place, Causeway Bay area: Thousands of pro-democracy protesters had been gathering in the popular commercial district of Causeway Bay, outside shopping centers like SOGO and Hysan Place. On Friday, masked men stormed the protest site and removed metal barriers that the police had set up.

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Government offices, Admiralty area: The sit-ins began when students stormed a square near the government headquarters on Sept. 26. On Thursday, the police surrounded chief executive's office building, but thousands of protesters remained in nearby areas.

fyp

Last edited by MidyMat; 10-04-2014 at 09:32 AM. Reason: you slippin bro

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