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11-22-2008 , 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by engineerious

Of course that would be the case for some people. And according to Rothbard it's perfectly acceptable.

That's not what I asked.

11-22-2008 , 04:36 PM

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Show me why it would not inevitably revert back to statism.

Show me why it would. Note there is a difference between saying it will and showing that it will.

11-22-2008 , 04:36 PM

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Of course that would be the case for some people. And according to Rothbard it's perfectly acceptable.

Some (actually most, if you take people's votes at face value) people think stealing (taxation) is ok. According to government, it's perfectly acceptable.

11-22-2008 , 04:38 PM

#54

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Originally Posted by pvn

I'm asking you.

It's working out fantastically for those who benefit and not so much for those who don't. The cirrrrrcle of liiiiife....

11-22-2008 , 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by engineerious

It's working out fantastically for those who benefit and not so much for those who don't. The cirrrrrcle of liiiiife....

might makes right ftl

11-22-2008 , 04:43 PM

#56

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Originally Posted by mjkidd

That's not what I asked.

I don't know if I can continue with you. You asked if the law was the only thing standing in the way of parents starving their unwanted children. I said in some cases yes that is what I believe. Although I would tend to think they would just say "**** Rothbard" and quickly put it out of it's misery. Some people even do that now! Good thing we have deterrents in place to keep it minimal.

Seriously though, try to keep up. You're becoming tiresome.

11-22-2008 , 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by taipeifc

might makes right ftl

I suppose everyone benefits from AC Land huh?

11-22-2008 , 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pvn

That's not what I said.

I know it’s not what you said. But did you read my following post that said it may as well have been?

11-22-2008 , 04:54 PM

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I suppose everyone benefits from AC Land huh?

No, but on average people benefit as a group, and at least the benefits you speak of are legitimate.

11-22-2008 , 04:56 PM

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It's working out fantastically for those who benefit and not so much for those who don't. The cirrrrrcle of liiiiife....

Wow, what a totally useless answer.

11-22-2008 , 04:57 PM

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Show me why it would. Note there is a difference between saying it will and showing that it will.

Ok Mr. Semantics, I'll give you that one. Explain to me why it wouldn't then. Address how you could possibly stop someone with the incentive and ability to centralize and coerce for profit without using the term 'property rights'.

11-22-2008 , 04:59 PM

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Wow, what a totally useless answer.

You asked a pretty useless question. How else could I respond other than give you the one and only plain as day answer?

11-22-2008 , 05:03 PM

#63

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Originally Posted by taipeifc

No, but on average people benefit as a group, and at least the benefits you speak of are legitimate.

Oh you mean like the state? I bet on average people as a group would also say that the state is legitimate.

11-22-2008 , 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Soupy Sales

I'm convinced that Anarcho-capitalists all used to play Dungeons and Dragons and Wizards of Warcraft.

Why, and what is the relevance to this thread?

11-22-2008 , 05:20 PM

#65

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Originally Posted by engineerious

Oh you mean like the state? I bet on average people as a group would also say that the state is legitimate.

You seem to think if people say something is true, that makes it so.

Also your claim itself is pretty weak. Congress and the President have the lowest approval ratings in decades (if not ever). And no matter how many people approve of stealing, that says nothing of it being right or wrong morally or ethically.

11-22-2008 , 05:40 PM

#66

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If it wasn't against the law in the US, how many parents do you think would starve their children to death because they decide they don't want the kid?

11-22-2008 , 05:52 PM

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How do they get this incentive and ability? Lots of question begging imo.

11-22-2008 , 05:53 PM

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You asked a pretty useless question. How else could I respond other than give you the one and only plain as day answer?

You could repsond by giving me your assessment of how it's working out for you. You said "it depends on who you ask" but if there's only one answer then why would it depend on who I ask?

11-22-2008 , 06:05 PM

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You could repsond by giving me your assessment of how it's working out for you. You said "it depends on who you ask" but if there's only one answer then why would it depend on who I ask?

Sorry, I misunderstood because you didn’t phrase the question "How’s that working out [for you]"?, you simply said “I’m asking you” - as in what is your assessment of the situation. By “one and only answer” I was referring to what I see taking place in the world.

So to answer your question - It’s working out fairly well I guess.

11-22-2008 , 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pvn

How do they get this incentive and ability? Lots of question begging imo.

No question begging at all. They were already posed and answered on the first page.

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Suppose everyone in AC land voluntarily submits funds to AC Military Inc. for a large scale defense budget. Later on the company decides that it’s not earning enough to keep business going and jacks up the price. 50 of the initial 100 customers cancel their subscriptions. The firm now has significant means and motive to force payment while falling back on the states current reasoning of ‘you benefit, you buy’ to justify it’s actions.

Is it really that inconceivable to you guys that not everyone would remain true to the non-aggression principal when faced with the eminent demise of their livelihood?

11-22-2008 , 06:16 PM

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No question begging at all. They were already posed and answered on the first page.

This isn't anything more than just pulling numbers out of your ass.

A firm isn't bringing in enough revenue to keep it's business going, but it magically DOES have enough to take over the world after cutting that insufficient revenue in half.

Yeah, brilliant.

In any case, this is nothing more than a (poorly constructed) variant of the death star objection.

11-22-2008 , 06:17 PM

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So the most powerful military in the world is doing well in its inevitable drive to conquer the rest of the planet, in your assessment?

Interesting.

11-22-2008 , 06:25 PM

#73

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No, not the world, AC land. There's a big difference there. I never said that they were much more than capable of dealing with the 100 residents.

The numbers you're so focused on are beside the point anyway. What matters is that enough capital could easily be accumulated over time by a given entity, turned into military might, and used for profit.

The ACist's only answer to that seems to be that they wouldn't because it would be un-rothbardian (not very nice).

11-22-2008 , 06:28 PM

#74

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11-22-2008 , 06:37 PM

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So the most powerful military in the world is doing well in its inevitable drive to conquer the rest of the planet, in your assessment?

Interesting.

Basically. But that's every nation's implicit goal. It's not like they have a ceiling of how much power they can attain before they decide they have 'enough'.

The only reason you see relative peace between nations is because the power structure is already in place and the laws set. In AC Land it would be a free-for-all because top spot would still be up for grabs.

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