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08-15-2017 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by pvn
Now that P7 is finally getting euthanized, will mods finally have the balls to just perma the ****ty ebola posters instead of demoting them to the minor leagues?
I believe the current preference is to exile posters instead of nuking them altogether. There may be rare exceptions to this, such as a poster who is extra deplorable.
08-15-2017 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by pvn
... My point is exactly that, **** em. Let them get mad. The implication is that there's some other way of engaging with them that might get them to convert, well, that may or may not be true, but I don't give a **** about converting them even if it is.
Exactly.

Why waste a second trying to "convert" this human trash. Marginalize and move on. There's neo-fascists afoot... we got real work to do.

BTW: have you checked out augie_ over in the dying embers of Baja? Great Justice calls once again...
08-15-2017 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Driving a car into a crowd seems kind of like an attack to me. We bomb the everloving **** out of isis for doing it. I'm not even suggest we kill these nazis or even necessarily punch them just shutting them up would be a start.
it was one legit crazy (schizo) guy who drove that car

should you bear the repercussions for the loonies on your side of the fence?


I know there was violence, and such should be met with violent resistance, but only as far as the original violence presents itself.

Taking aggressive action into your own hands is all I'm railing against here. "punch a nazi" etc

Last edited by iamnotawerewolf; 08-15-2017 at 11:48 AM.
08-15-2017 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
They agreed to an armistice they both knew wouldn't last. Hitler needed to focus on France and Stalin needed to finish industrializing and move his resources west.

Hitler rounded up communists, as well. He had much more sympathy in the US than in Soviet Russia.
Stalin was in love with Hitler. It was a lot like Trump/Putin. Hitler of course thought Stalin was a mongrel fit only for slavery.
08-15-2017 , 11:38 AM
I do wonder how likely it is, if the statues were to be put into a museum and the context around them explained, that that context would be that the statues were put up as a PR campaign to strengthen Jim Crow, as a reaction to the Civil Rights Movement, and as a continuing reassurance of white dominance.

Somehow I don't think the states would have that kind of fortitude to face the real reason they were put up. Maybe I'm wrong.
08-15-2017 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
In fairness, mobs taking down Confederate status probably will rile up dumb racists. But the question that "don't be mean to racists or they'll retrench and double down on racism" never even pretends to answer is why we should care.

I'm all for redemption but prima facie the people frothing about toppled statues of Confederates aren't meeting anyone halfway.
Does the left ever get to use this excuse? You guys ran over one of us, now we're radicalized and we're gonna knock some statues down. Guess y'all should have been more polite to liberals.
08-15-2017 , 11:40 AM
I think the left is expected to sit quietly while the nation's unhinged animals march around town with torches and weapons and driving over people in their cars.

So, no, that argument never goes both ways.
08-15-2017 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Does the left ever get to use this excuse? You guys ran over one of us, now we're radicalized and we're gonna knock some statues down. Guess y'all should have been more polite to liberals.
it is not an excuse

it is a prediction


the nazi's aren't legitimized by being stoked
08-15-2017 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
I do wonder how likely it is, if the statues were to be put into a museum and the context around them explained, that that context would be that the statues were put up as a PR campaign to strengthen Jim Crow, as a reaction to the Civil Rights Movement, and as a continuing reassurance of white dominance.

Somehow I don't think the states would have that kind of fortitude to face the real reason they were put up. Maybe I'm wrong.
As I've written, while alt-right street thugs are highly visible manifestations of a deepening madness, MOST of the right are olds out in the hinterlands frothing about Merry Christmas and Kaepnernick just as much as they are upset about Confederate statues.

You need to talk to them in terms they understand. The way to talk to these people imo is to simply imply that Confederate statues were the 1880s versions of participation trophies. Statues of Robert E. Lee in town squares were given to losers to make them feel better about their losing effort. Real winners raise statues of Lincoln, Sherman, and United States Colored Troops brigades. Only millennial snowflakes would want a Participation Statue of Robert E Lee in their town.
08-15-2017 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
it was one legit crazy (schizo) guy who drove that car

should you bear the repercussions for the loonies on your side of the fence?
We do. Ask a black person or a Muslim. "One legit crazy" is only ever true for white people.


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I know there was violence, and such should be met with violent resistance, but only as far as the original violence presents itself.

Taking aggressive action into your own hands is all I'm railing against here. "punch a nazi" etc
Does this mean we get to at least talk about how we might go about rounding them all up for extermination, as that is meeting what they have presented like for like?
08-15-2017 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
We do. Ask a black person or a Muslim. "One legit crazy" is only ever true for white people.
I'm not asking if you do. I'm asking if you should.

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Does this mean we get to at least talk about how we might go about rounding them all up for extermination, as that is meeting what they have presented like for like?
I'd rather we talk about how we might go about convincing them that non-whites really aren't so bad.
08-15-2017 , 11:56 AM
Noted REASONABLE CONSERVATIVE JD Vance currently ranting about the seriousness of left wing violence on Twitter. Every last one of these *******s. Every. Single. One.
08-15-2017 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
I think the left is expected to sit quietly while the nation's unhinged animals march around town with torches and weapons and driving over people in their cars...
Man, wouldn't it be a good idea if civil society organized to protect ourselves from these animals. Amazingly enough, it turns out that this kinda shiz has happened before. Peeps are way ahead of us here...

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After today's murder in Charlottesville, we must all unite to defend ourselves and each other.

We are horrified but not surprised at the rise of political violence and murder from the Alt Right and other fascist groups across the country. Today's murder was not an isolated incident, but is the latest in a string of violent attacks and murders from fascists. These include the shooting of an IWW/GDC member in Seattle, the stabbing double murder on the Portland MAX train, and the recent bombing of Dar Al Farooq mosque in Minnesota, among many others.

Fascism is a deadly threat to all of us. There is no escape from the demand that we confront it. Politicians, the police, and the university will not save us. We cannot vote our way to safety. As always, police aided and protected the fascists, while permitting and assisting wholesale violence against counter-protesters. University officials refused to use campus security to protect students and others from a gang of hundreds of fascists.

The General Defense Committee calls upon all people who value human life, freedom, and dignity, to enter the struggle against fascism in every way they can. Give to the fundraisers for survivors and surviving family members of today's fascist murder. Talk to your family and friends, your coworkers and neighbors, and determine a way to directly and concretely confront fascist hate wherever it appears. If you can, join your local General Defense Committee or another local antifascist group.

We may be entering a new stage of struggle. We are determined to meet the challenges ahead of us. We will beat back and defeat the fascists. We must defend each other. That means all of us.

An injury to one is an injury to all.

The General Defense Committee (GDC) of the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW)
08-15-2017 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
it was one legit crazy (schizo) guy who drove that car

should you bear the repercussions for the loonies on your side of the fence?
what about the nazi's who are celebrating it



and let's not forget the reason the daily stormer is without a home is because they mocked the woman who was killed
08-15-2017 , 11:58 AM
do you want to perpetuate the cycle or break it?
08-15-2017 , 11:59 AM
you break the cycle when you break the fascists
08-15-2017 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
it was one legit crazy (schizo) guy who drove that car

should you bear the repercussions for the loonies on your side of the fence?


I know there was violence, and such should be met with violent resistance, but only as far as the original violence presents itself.

Taking aggressive action into your own hands is all I'm railing against here. "punch a nazi" etc
Dude, seriously, **** off. They knowingly and willingly took up the mantle of Nazi. Killing them on sight probably isn't the morally correct answer, but there isn't a single group of human beings who are more deserving.
08-15-2017 , 12:01 PM
You can treat the symptoms or you can treat the disease.

What is causing the animosity? They are humans, like it or not.


The "why now" inquiries I think are great places to start.
08-15-2017 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
You can treat the symptoms or you can treat the disease.

What is causing the animosity? They are humans, like it or not.
when they attempt to diminish the humanity of others our requirements to respect their humanity diminishes

**** them
08-15-2017 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
do you want to perpetuate the cycle or break it?
Man, if only we had some historical examples that could inform us about how to break the cycle of Nazis.
08-15-2017 , 12:03 PM
How did the Church lose its grip on society?

Its ideological underpinnings were undermined en masse in the enlightenment era.

It is still around, to be sure, but it has no where near the hegemony it once enjoyed, and even its current influence continues to fade.
08-15-2017 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Man, if only we had some historical examples that could inform us about how to break the cycle of Nazis.
if it's still around, did it really break?
08-15-2017 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
if it's still around, did it really break?
We had people thoughtfully engaging with white supremacists over in P7. Show me a convert.
08-15-2017 , 12:06 PM
I've learned from Call of Duty that when you shoot Nazis, they just keep coming back.
08-15-2017 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
You can treat the symptoms or you can treat the disease.

What is causing the animosity? They are humans, like it or not.


The "why now" inquiries I think are great places to start.
Since I introduced it, I don't think the answer is give Nazis head pats and endless patience and most of them are in fact privileged, ought to know better, are hopelessly irredeemable and deserve no sympathy.

      
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