http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090212/...e_us/octuplets

cliffs:
33 single mother has used in vitro fertilizations for 14 kids
set of octuplets. other 6 range 2-7
$490/mo in food stamps
social security disability for 3 kids - maximum of $2379/mo
mother recieved $165,000 in disability over a decade after a riot at her job at a state mental facility
mother will go back to california state university to complete her masters in counseling, using student loans to support children despite already owing 50k in student loans
website set up for donations
she suffers from a depressive disorder


I thought this story is interesting and rediculous. In vitro fertilization should be restricted from people on any type of government assistance or with mental disability.

Who should be doing the restricting?

The doctors she goes to should be able to say no. There's no actual restriction on them saying no is there? I'm honestly not sure.

"A big share of the financial burden of raising Nadya Suleman's 14 children could fall on the shoulders of California's taxpayers, compounding the public furor in a state already billions of dollars in the red."

What a selfish and dumb bitch for thinking that she can single handedly raise 14 kids on tax payers' money. There is no way that she will be able to focus on school on top of raising 14 kids properly.

She should hook up with Joaquin Phoenix. They are both on a path of self destruction, or headlines with further fame.

I've got better ways to waste my time than worrying about other people's decisions about whether or not to have kids.

This is an entirely predictable symptom of bad policy.

I wish this were true, but all the people who she leaches off of without their permission might disagree.

there should be a law stating that unless you are financially independent and mentally competent, the specifics of which im not qualified to define, to raise kids, you cannot use in vitro fertilization.

it's going to end up costing the state several million

From the story:


wtf?

One of my kids was diagnosed with ADHD. Where do I sign up for my monthly government handout?

People like this broad disgust me.

What's even more disgusting is that she's probably out there giving TV interviews and playing the victim card.

I'm slowly beginning to understand the thought process of these genocidal tyrant dictators of totalitarian governments. Were I in charge, I'd want to round some people up too, quite frankly...

This was his point.

what a dumb ****

There's no logical reason to limit it in vitro.

Before I became a dad (via adoption), I had had to have an FBI background check, undergo a psychological evaluation, and get the permission of judges in two countries.

If you want the state to be able to limit who has kids by in vitro, don't expect that the ability of the state to restrict who is allowed to have children biologically would stop there just because you might want it to.

Can we settle on "no in vitro child should be given welfare while under custody of biological mother?"

Defining welfare is going to be tough, but at least can we agree on this in principle?

Again, there's no logical reason for it to be limited to in vitro.

Sure, start down that path. See where it leads.

Elimination of welfare?

That path is awesome!

Well maybe. But whether or not welfare should exist at all is a whole nother argument.

How about a law saying that you support your own ****ing children?

In lieu of that, how about a law saying that if you are on government assistance you are not allowed to have children. Before you get your first welfare check you receive a birth control implant. If you somehow wind up preggers then mandatory abortion.

More laws FTW.

She should have gone through a thorough psychological profile as part of the pre invitro stage. They always implant multiples for a better sucess rate, but in her interview she stated her refusal to comply with rational thinking. Its the intent to bring into this world children that are biologically challenged from the start, in addition to her current children that are biologically challenged, that place her in lala land. The state will intervene and her kids will spend their lives in foster homes or tabloid tv.

Go hump your girlfriend/wife and make as many babies as you can. Bring science into the picture and limits can be placed. JMHO

Well, yeah, but that also applies to at least 50% of the general population.

I always thought that number was closer to 75%

We had here In Alberta, Canada a 60 year old woman who wanted invetro. She was refused under our medical system. So she went to India and had it done. She returned to Canada pregnant and now using our free healthcare system to rack up 1 million in health bills for her premature twins.

Abuse of the systems both ways

Note the words at least.

whoever is footing the bill

I agree. I don't really blame her as much. Hey, people(tax payers) offer her free money. It's our dumb ass fault for giving it to her.