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06-25-2016 , 11:30 AM
About that poster, the white guy is a police officer not a migrant. Though of course that isn't necessarily the reason he's taken off.

But what would be a good non-racist way to highlight and oppose the EU compulsory refugee auotas?

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Originally Posted by cilldroichid
As I'm Irish, working for a company that exports around 80% of its products to the UK, I hope that is the case.
Write to your TDs about it. Though I hope they'll be pushing for that anyway.
06-25-2016 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Slap on the wrist tariff for same deal without free movement, whilst backroom deal it actually keep letting in people?
No, 'same deal without free movement' isn't possible.
06-25-2016 , 11:31 AM
A big part of it is the benefits of EU are so pervasive and spread out that it's hard to point to concrete solid evidence.

This is happening in the US too with regards to cheap labor and free trade.
06-25-2016 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Yakmelk
There is no objective party here, you sound like a 9/11'er telling me to go watch yootoobz.
Straw man alert.

You can watch it on the Liverpool University website instead if you wish, but I guess there's no need as you know everything already (despite what your posts say).
06-25-2016 , 11:33 AM
Nigel garage for trump vp.
06-25-2016 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by thethethe
Corbyn's pretty certainly going, then Labour will try to reform and rebrand before the next election, I guess.

I've always had a lot of time for Corbyn, but he's a hopeless party leader, and the Brexit has just compounded that.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...P=share_btn_tw
06-25-2016 , 11:36 AM
The problem with the Remain campaign was it was fronted by Cameron and Osborne. People had very real concerns and complaints and it was too easy for the Outers to blame it all on immigration.

What could Cameron/Osborne say - "It wasn't the migrants, it was us, lol. By the way, can we count on your vote at the next election?"
06-25-2016 , 11:39 AM
So how does the migrant crisis end? Ww3? World wide picnic day? Genuine integration?
06-25-2016 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BAIDS
looks like boris took out cameron and farage with a single bullet
too soon?
06-25-2016 , 11:41 AM
Brexiters better start getting real familiar with WTO trading rules because that's one of your alternatives.

The other one is something akin to Norway/Switzerland's arrangement... EU member in all but name but without the ability to vote on anything.

Congratulations.
06-25-2016 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by grizy
A big part of it is the benefits of EU are so pervasive and spread out that it's hard to point to concrete solid evidence.

This is happening in the US too with regards to cheap labor and free trade.
Another part is that the EU (and UK government) did a terrible job for too long of broadcasting how much money was allocated to the regions by the EU, £1Bn in the case of Cornwall that the locals were quite oblivious to.
06-25-2016 , 11:44 AM
The core concern in all of this at least by the populous is immigration . Until that problem is managed in a way that satisfies Europe stuff like this will keep happening
06-25-2016 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Straw man alert.

You can watch it on the Liverpool University website instead if you wish, but I guess there's no need as you know everything already (despite what your posts say).
You seem to think I've said they haven't lied or misrepresented which is clearly untrue. I also never said I haven't watched the video so ... thinking he is objective and wasn't campaigning in his video is (again) hilarious.

At least I know that a politician can't guarantee **** no matter what he (or, lol, his neighbor) campaigned for, it's called politics and you shouldn't be surprised.
06-25-2016 , 11:45 AM
I suspect it's because Cameron thinks (probably correctly) UK is still net payer into the EU treasury (not counting auxiliary effects, which are more important) and he didn't want the Brexiters to just come back and promise to double the payments with all the money coming back.
06-25-2016 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by davmcg
You can dream as much as you like, but the UK won't get access to the single market without free movement. Maybe some sort of deal on goods will be agreed in 10 years or so, but the damage will be done by then in terms of job losses.

Just in case you missed the point, the two years article 50 negotiation is nothing to do with trade, just the legal consequences of leaving. When that two years ends (unless every EU state agrees to an extension) the EU will impose tariffs, British exports will lie in customs sheds in Calais and Antwerp awaiting inspection and financial services companies will be required to relocate to the EU - it is certain that the preparations for that have already begun.


The UK doesn't even have a trade department to negotiate trade agreements.
Everyone has an opinion and you may turn out to be correct. Or you may be wrong.

Eurozone has one of the worst economic growth rates around and its has large unemployment too. Explain to me how stopping exports to the UK (by adding tariffs) is going to help the eurozone and the people working within it?

The EU may very well sign it's own demise by 'punishing' the UK.

At the end of the day I predict either:

1) The collapse of the EU project in it's current form

2) A trade agreement with the UK with the most tiny of tariffs (to save face) and access to the EU market with some kind of exemption for the banks to carry on. There will be restrictions on UK citizens working in the EU just as for non-member states, although those currently abroad will be exempted.
06-25-2016 , 11:59 AM
EU is a net importer from the UK. Politically, path of least resistance is WTO rules. (10% tariff on cars for example) WTO rules are loose enough almost nobody in Europe will experience such dramatically higher prices that they'll pressure EU to sign with UK. But the WTO rules are tight enough to make local industries happy.

You're crazy if you think EU has any incentive to protect London's financial industry. Financial industry is one of the most mobile industries and European trading capitals (Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Paris) have been screaming foul at London due to UK's exemptions under the special arrangements UK had in the EU, the special arrangements Brexiters just opted out of.
06-25-2016 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
I waited and waited for the Remain camp to just argue for the benefits of EU, but all they did was promise end of civilisation, punishment budgets, WW3 etc. And then in debates, the Remain would say 'Project Hate', and worse of all 'there is no silver bullet to immigration...' - lol, what a gift to the Leave camp that was, over and over.
This is what got to me. All they had to do was talk about the economic benefits of staying in the EU. I heard plenty of economists talking about this. Why the hell didn't the politicians? The Remain campaign was just as bad as the Better Together campagin for the Indyref. They got away with it once, quite why they didn't learn their lesson is beyond me.
06-25-2016 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by richdog
Everyone has an opinion and you may turn out to be correct. Or you may be wrong.

Eurozone has one of the worst economic growth rates around and its has large unemployment too. Explain to me how stopping exports to the UK (by adding tariffs) is going to help the eurozone and the people working within it?

The EU may very well sign it's own demise by 'punishing' the UK.

At the end of the day I predict either:

1) The collapse of the EU project in it's current form

2) A trade agreement with the UK with the most tiny of tariffs (to save face) and access to the EU market with some kind of exemption for the banks to carry on. There will be restrictions on UK citizens working in the EU just as for non-member states, although those currently abroad will be exempted.
Huh? Certainly this wouldn't be the case.
06-25-2016 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Another part is that the EU (and UK government) did a terrible job for too long of broadcasting how much money was allocated to the regions by the EU, £1Bn in the case of Cornwall that the locals were quite oblivious to.
I don't know about the UK but I lived in Malta for a few years. There you could see a lot of construction going on and it was very obvious to everyone that this was made possible and partly financed by the EU.
I have also seeing many signs at construction projects in Germany and Austria that read (paraphrasing):"Financed with the help of the EU."
That might still be too abstract for many that only see their own bad job or even lack of one on the one hand and immigrants coming to the country on the other.
06-25-2016 , 12:11 PM
WaPo: The British are frantically Googling what the E.U. is, hours after voting to leave it

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ign_type=Email

This is frigging amazing. Mob rule Democracy in action right there.
06-25-2016 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
But what would be a good non-racist way to highlight and oppose the EU compulsory refugee auotas?
The Leave campaign couldn't help it, they didn't have a choice but to be racist!
06-25-2016 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Habsfan09
Because its very unlikely that any country would open their markets in a way the current single market works. The people need work and if you open your markets there might be less jobs in this country because the goods are manufactured somewhere else because labour is cheaper, taxes are lower or you need certain kinds of infrastructure. So the compromise is free movement. A lot of people are working in other countries and send money home and its a huge part otherwise a lot more people would live in extreme poverty.



But a lot of other **** is and a lot of people dont want this deal at all.

You shouldn't rely on the german workers to save your ass. On one hand your are complaining of the influence of big business and on the other hand you hope that the powerful automobile lobby saves your ass.

Btw: The whole talk about "its our country" and so on is really tilting for me. Its just that you were lucky enough to be born there. And its not just our planet but yet western civilisation exploited it for most of the time and argueing how we can get richer when a lot of people live under worse conditions and a lot of them still have to live with consequence of our actions in the last 100-200 years.
This sounds exactly like what a person living/ born in an Eastern European country would say.
06-25-2016 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
EU is a net importer from the UK. Politically, path of least resistance is WTO rules. (10% tariff on cars for example) WTO rules are loose enough almost nobody in Europe will experience such dramatically higher prices that they'll pressure EU to sign with UK. But the WTO rules are tight enough to make local industries happy.

You're crazy if you think EU has any incentive to protect London's financial industry. Financial industry is one of the most mobile industries and European trading capitals (Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Paris) have been screaming foul at London due to UK's exemptions under the special arrangements UK had in the EU, the special arrangements Brexiters just opted out of.
Wrong, the UK is a net importer from the EU. £7BN just last month.

https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statisti...n-EU_Data.aspx

A 10% tariff would mean less goods being bought by the UK and job losses in the EU.

Political point scoring at the cost of EU jobs. The EU will bring about it's own demise if it goes down that path.
06-25-2016 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
So how does the migrant crisis end? Ww3? World wide picnic day? Genuine integration?
the uk barely takes any refugees. it's just people working. it's hardly a crisis.

when they're out of the eu they'll be able to limit it with the only problem being that they're ****ing over people while hurting themselves in the process.
06-25-2016 , 12:22 PM
Is this the first time you Brits have had politicians lie in a campaign? Seems like it. It's an everyday thing for us

      
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