Labour party looking utterly sidelined in all of this

How does them doing anything currently benefit them?

Also Corbyn wants out but can't say that so he's loving it. He hopes it goes awfully, the economy bombs he gets voted in and can start setting up big brother.

Thanks all - a bit clearer, anyway.

MM MD

One way to a general election might be for May to lose, Johnson to become PM and some Tories (probably in safe seats) to be so horrified that they support a Labour-called vote of no confidence in the government, but obviously that's a very rocky road likely to end up elsewhere.

If she says she'll quit after Brexit is completed, she's implying that she is the best person to do Brexit. But is that true? What makes her so good at making the case for it? If she's just leaving after Brexit is done, why even bother to keep her at all?

It's in the nature of ambitious politicians to believe they're the best person to do xyz, and no it's not remotely true of her. However, most Remainers are relatively happy it's her trying to force through an unpopular soft Brexit, because if it does get passed it's hopefully not the worst outcome for the UK, and if it fails the possibility of a referendum or general election increases.

In other words we hate her incompetence but in this case she might be quite useful, probably the first time that's ever been true of her.

I don't think that happens but definitely not while they're more horrified by the LOTO. ERG supporting a vote of no confidence is more likely - less than ten are needed for a new election (Unlikely too tho).

Of course there's all sorts of "new party" post-Brexit scenarios too which I think are more likely than either of the aforementioned but still <50%.

Yes. May would remain Prime Minister for the time being, because she's appointed by the Sovereign and no one else can appoint a successor. Under the rules, the Sovereign has to invite whoever can command a majority in the House to form a government. But May wouldn't be able to do anything much meanwhile. It would be a massive waste of time when time is tight. And if anyone else took over, since Parliament is hung and the Tories are the largest party but a minority, the next person would have to show they can do a coalition or confidence-and-supply deal with other parties.

The Conservative Parliamentary Party -- the MPs -- select two candidates to be put to the party membership, who then elect one or the other. If the leader has resigned or lost a confidence vote among the MPs, she or he cannot stand.

https://researchbriefings.parliament...ummary/SN01366

Both Labour and the Conservatives have moved to one-member-one-vote leadership elections, and people have only just realised that this is a terrible idea, because paid-up party members are, by definition, weirdos, and they don't answer to the wider public. Previously, party leaders were elected by MPs, who do, of course, answer to the wider public.

The deadline is 23.00 London time 29 March 2019 when the UK will automatically leave the EU by law already passed. If this happens without a transition agreement, the economy will melt down, food and medical supplies will not be imported in sufficient quantity due to customs problems and people will begin to die in large numbers. This is what the right of the Tory party and the left of the Labour party actually want: the right-wing Tories because they serve the interests of disaster-capitalists who will pick the carcass, the left-wing Labourites because, as shadow chancellor John McDonnell has explained, they think the resulting catastrophe will bring about the communist revolution and give total state power to them and their tiny mad clique.

The deadline under Art.50 of the Lisbon Treaty can only be extended with the unanimous consent of the other 27 EU members. However, the UK's notice to quit can simply be revoked, unilaterally. It would only require a vote in the House calling on the Prime Minister to write the revocation letter and a vote to repeal-and-replace the Withdrawal Act with a one-paragraph bill restoring the status quo.

Well, you don't have a parliamentary system, so the only way to depose the elected king -- which is what the president is -- is impeachment, and if the president has enough Congressional support, specially in the Senate, that can't happen. Of course a president has been forced to resign by the threat of impeachment in fairly recent memory, but that was when the opposing party dominated Congress just enough.

lol, or you know more realistically everything goes on completely fine.

Awww don't spoil it for him, he seems to enjoy it.

UK companies have enjoyed frictionless trade with neighbouring European countries for 45 years. That's a long time for companies to make themselves more competitive through JIT purchasing and logistics ie ordering and holding the minimum amount of goods at the latest possible time to keep costs down.

What on earth do you think the likely effect of 8 hour delays at ports due to new customs checks will be?

She's gonna win, it's over

Unless the DUP/ERG back a labour led no confidence vote. Doesn't seem very likely

Don't worry, she will go when they vote on her terrible deal.

Saw this reported on the Independent web site:

'According to Conservative Home, a majority of Conservative members (62%) want Tory MPs to vote no confidence in Theresa May. '

When will we know the results?

Part of me thinks she survives this because no other Conservative MP wants to be in her position. They'd much rather sit back and criticize than take an active role and become criticized. Even if they hate the deal, they know that deep down inside they will be unable to do any better than she did.

Yeah I read that also, shame the members don't get to vote in this initial stage.

She's going to be even more smug and cocky after she wins this

In about 20 minutes according to the BBC.

9pm

I wonder why they are dragging this out

9 o'clock news?

Getting tired db? Guess you're normally asleep by now :P

Still got 3 minutes until the announcement.

They're like kids

May survives 200-117

she's feeling much better