I know we have Godwin’s Law for Hitler comparisons.

I would like to propose Surf’s Corollary:

As an internet discussion progresses there is absolute certainty that eventually a doctor will express an opinion on a non-medical matter, inevitably leading another discussant to provide an anecdote and conclude all doctors are stupid.

If this was an accusation with nothing except her word it would be somewhat understandable to be sceptical. However in this case there are therapists notes from 6 years ago describing the event, so to not believe her (or believe that this isn't enough for a withdrawal to be the obviously correct response) you are essentially claiming that 6 years ago she decided to make up a story so that she accuse someone at some point in the future.

The facts of the matter are that it is almost certain that Ford truly believes that Kavanaugh did this to her. While it is possible to be a mistaken identity, this isn't a criminal investigation - a credible accusation of sexual assault should be enough to torpedo any nomination to the SC and it is only the absurd state of the GOP that means it is not.

There are some fairly glaring inconsistencies between the therapist notes and the letter

I'd go up to $50 for some funsies action, assuming you can do paypal. I'd want the YES side of "Does Kavanaugh Get Confirmed?"

You mean that the number of boys at the party was confused with the number of boys involved when she was assaulted? Unless there's something more that I've missed that's literally the only inconsistency.

Even so though, to make this sort of argument you are claiming that Ford is making use of an unrelated event, that was traumatic enough to have been brought up in therapy, as a political weapon. That would be absurd enough for a hugely partisan politician, let alone a civilian with no history of extreme political activity.

Something that pops up with ~every conservative is an unshakeable belief that because they achieved personal success they must be smart, and if they(confirmed smart guy) don't know about a thing it must be new.

reno, you are objectively of below average intelligence! Bush's tax cuts were done with recouncillation your stories just didn't tell you to get angry about it.

Is there something more glaring than the notes having it as four boys in the room compared to Ford having it as four boys at the party?

...asking for a pony

It's amazing whenever they talk about the recent or distant past they always reveal they know absolutely nothing outside of what the really partisan, stupid right wing sources they feed on tell them.
There are so many false statements and claims by Reno, sim and nomad itt. Pointing out they're really, really dumb causes no introspection, just more doubling down.
You look at the left leaning posters itt. Most have had their views wildly evolve over the last decade. You can absolutely not say the same of right leaning posters.

How much?

even if he attempted rape, it doesn't follow that "withdrawal is the obvious thing to do", especially if you don't think that mcconnel wouldn't be able to force anyone else through before elections. This, if you are a gop.

Remember that for many gops a rapist if less bad than a democrat. I read online very often the argument that anyone in favor of abortion is worse than any criminal as he/she helps children getting killed and there is no crime that is worse than that.

So for many gop anyone who is the republican nominee is by default better than any democrat even if he/she is a serial rapist, killer, torturer and so on.

The rest is a charade that "smart" gop build up to try not to lose every independent voter, giving a shred of semilogical arguments to hide the naked truth which. In kav case, is: we literally care 0 about whether he is a rapist or not nor should we care because in any case he would be better than a democrat.

And the fact that the accuser is a democrat is more than enough proof that we should disregard the accusation, as in a power struggle the only outcome that ever matter is winning. If liberals go crazy against something for "real republicans" that's the proof that they are pursuing the best possible outcome for them.

This btw is not "absurd". It is how that party, which is minoritarian in your country, controls more than 30 states, scotus, the house, the Senate and the presidency.

Disregarding all ethics all the time having a clear target in mind and pursuing it in the most Ruthless way every time, consistently, for decades. This includes manipulating a share of the population into believing crazybat insane things.

When will you guys understand that they have been very very good at winning?

Thinking about republicans with normal ethical lenses is a waste of time

even if he attempted rape, it doesn't follow that "withdrawal is the obvious thing to do", especially if you think that mcconnel wouldn't be able to force anyone else through before elections. This, if you are a gop.

Remember that for many gops a rapist if less bad than a democrat. I read online very often the argument that anyone in favor of abortion is worse than any criminal as he/she helps children getting killed and there is no crime that is worse than that.

So for many gop anyone who is the republican nominee is by default better than any democrat even if he/she is a serial rapist, killer, torturer and so on.

The rest is a charade that "smart" gop build up to try not to lose every independent voter, giving a shred of semilogical arguments to hide the naked truth which. In kav case, is: we literally care 0 about whether he is a rapist or not nor should we care because in any case he would be better than a democrat.

And the fact that the accuser is a democrat is more than enough proof that we should disregard the accusation, as in a power struggle the only outcome that ever matter is winning. If liberals go crazy against something for "real republicans" that's the proof that they are pursuing the best possible outcome for them.

This btw is not "absurd". It is how that party, which is minoritarian in your country, controls more than 30 states, scotus, the house, the Senate and the presidency.

Disregarding all ethics all the time having a clear target in mind and pursuing it in the most Ruthless way every time, consistently, for decades. This includes manipulating a share of the population into believing crazybat insane things.

When will you guys understand that they have been very very good at winning?

Thinking about republicans with normal ethical lenses is a waste of time

You said that it is more than a he-said/she-said is because there are therapist notes, but the therapist notes and the letter tell a different story, so explain how that bolsters instead of hinders? Blaming the note-taking acumen or "confusion" is a possible interpretation, another interpretation is that these are potentially very hazy memories.

Also I think the fact that no names were given diminishes the therapist notes further. I'm not sure it is reasonable to expect names given to a therapist, but the fact that a name did not emerge until this year is to me a reason to be skeptical.

I would also point out that the female friend not only denied not being at the party, but denied having ever met Kavanaugh altogether. I can be on board with traumatic events searing memories to the point where one remembers something and the other does not, and can be on board with her remembering it while others at the party did not, but the friend saying she has never met Kavanaugh to me is a fairly large impediment to the story, as told.

I will give you 2-1 on this

Depends. Do you remember all the people you met at parties in high school and college?

So much for the free money train.

Hey renodoc, when people are outbidding each other for odds to take money from your dumb ass, might want to reconsider that "/thread" comment earlier

The female friend, although unable to recall being there or having met Kavanaugh, said she knows Ford and believes Ford.

This whole thread makes me mad and I'm going to stop posting again after this but I just have to point out how ridiculous this is. You are legitimately saying that a therapist report from 6 years previously that while not mentioning names does say "from an elitist boys’ school" and "highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington" makes it less likely that the accusation is legitimate than if the therapist report didn't exist, simply because one number is wrong.

This is just pure intellectual dishonesty.

so right leaning people in this forum weren't pro trade and against Russia 5 years ago? Or are still pro trade and against Russia today?

I am rightleaning in economic matters and I am pro trade and against Russia since forever and recent developments reinforced my positions in the matter. Does that make me a worse person than "conservatives" who flipped on both topics going with the previous extreme-left position in trade?

no, i am speaking specifically of it in relation to brett kavanaugh as the named assailant

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The guys who pay you must be REALLY scared to pony up for an actual native English speaker this time.

Yeah. Like I grunched that post, I didn't read Goofy's post of the wiki, I certainly didn't just know that fact independently.

The reason I knew the Bush tax cuts were passed by reconciliation and that it wasn't some crazy invented procedure by Obummer was because PREVIOUS CHUDS HAD TRIED THAT and I remember seeing that talking point get debunked previously. On this forum! Probably in the Obamacare thread, which renodoc used to bump every 6 months or show to ask people in the thread how to tie his shoes.

With steno pads at the ready!

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What about the fact that the friend completely believes Ford's story to be true? If she doesn't view that as impediment to the story, why would you?

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