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02-04-2016 , 10:09 AM
The only Supreme Court issue that could actually make the world a better place would be something that helps with campaign finance reform. Hillary isn't going to appoint anyone who could threaten her bribes.

It's so pathetic to vote for Hillary over Bernie because of fear. That's what they want you to do.
02-04-2016 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Like seeing Bernie spitting hot fire. Still voting Hillary. A loss means the Supreme Court is gone for a generation.
IF Bernie beats Hillary he will win the GE. Probably more likely than her, because she's more likely to be hurt by a scandal.

If he can't get broad enough support to win the GE, he won't beat Hillary anyway.
02-04-2016 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
IF Bernie beats Hillary he will win the GE. Probably more likely than her, because she's more likely to be hurt by a scandal.

If he can't get broad enough support to win the GE, he won't beat Hillary anyway.
I have taken into consideration what other people have said about him not being able to win a GE and have come to the conclusion you have. If he can win over minority voters/older people within the democratic primary over the strongest establishment candidate when it comes to endorsements, MSM support, etc. then he can win the GE. The GE is already favorable to a democratic candidate.
02-04-2016 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Feeling it
if bern lasts longer than 4 hours contact your primary physician

that video was epic
02-04-2016 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
The only Supreme Court issue that could actually make the world a better place would be something that helps with campaign finance reform.
You have no idea. There have been bad supreme court cases for years that have had harmful effects on society and the legal system. See recent NY Times pieces on arbitration for one. Voting rights for another. Any semi-controversial issue has to specifically presented to get Anthony Kennedy's vote. If Ted Cruz, or any republican really, wins there will be 5 Scalia's on the court for the next 30 years.
02-04-2016 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
You have no idea. There have been bad supreme court cases for years that have had harmful effects on society and the legal system. See recent NY Times pieces on arbitration for one. Voting rights for another. Any semi-controversial issue has to specifically presented to get Anthony Kennedy's vote. If Ted Cruz, or any republican really, wins there will be 5 Scalia's on the court for the next 30 years.
Which is what I think will happen if Hillary gets the nom. Young dems aren't gonna go vote for Hillary after she beats Bernie using dirty tactics
02-04-2016 , 12:09 PM
I'm super paranoid the Supreme Court could basically invalidate all our environmental laws by ruling them "takings" for which we have to compensate the polluters.
02-04-2016 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by imjosh
Which is what I think will happen if Hillary gets the nom. Young dems aren't gonna go vote for Hillary after she beats Bernie using dirty tactics
So far Bernie has no skeletons, or rather like calling himself a socialist, his skeletons are out of the closet.

Her dirtiest tactic will be scaring people that he's not experienced enough to handle foreign policy and that somehow not invading enough places will put us in danger. Well, no one will spell out that last part.

If Bernie wins the nomination, the GOP will throw in "He's going to take all your money! (and give it to minorities)."
02-04-2016 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BigPoppa
I'm super paranoid the Supreme Court could basically invalidate all our environmental laws by ruling them "takings" for which we have to compensate the polluters.
me too.
02-04-2016 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by imjosh
Which is what I think will happen if Hillary gets the nom. Young dems aren't gonna go vote for Hillary after she beats Bernie using dirty tactics
Sure, young Bernie-loving dems are probably not too thrilled about Hillary, but I can't see them doing a 180 and voting REPUBLICAN... that would be ludicrous.

Should probably just start making mental peace with our future President Hillary Clinton.
02-04-2016 , 12:21 PM
Well, I know it's not like my argument proves anything, but how does Bernie beat Hillary without being able to win the GE?

He beats her in polling among independents already. If he wins over establishment Democrats, he has independents, regular Democrats, liberal nuts, and unless he's running against Trump he gets some of the right wing anti-establishment nuts and if he is running against Trump he gets some Republicans who don't want to be embarrassed by having Donald Trump as POTUS.
02-04-2016 , 12:25 PM
And he's still a 3.5 to 1 dog to win the nomination. But, if he wins...? that means he gets a lot of new support.

I don't think you should be scared to vote Bernie for the nomination.
02-04-2016 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Well, I know it's not like my argument proves anything, but how does Bernie beat Hillary without being able to win the GE?

He beats her in polling among independents already. If he wins over establishment Democrats, he has independents, regular Democrats, liberal nuts, and unless he's running against Trump he gets some of the right wing anti-establishment nuts and if he is running against Trump he gets some Republicans who don't want to be embarrassed by having Donald Trump as POTUS.
been said many times before, but winning 51% of the democratic party's votes =/= winning 51% of a national vote.

you think the gop going full ninja on the "communist" isn't going to have an effect on the american public who already hates to pay taxes as it is, and have been conditioned to think that capitalism is the greatest system in the world?

guys, bernie has been sitting there without being attacked at all. now consider previous election cycles, and think about the attacks that would be launched. also consider how effective those attacks have been in the past.

christ, the gop got people all worked up over "the death tax", which affects very little of the population.

those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.
02-04-2016 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by saw7988
Sure, young Bernie-loving dems are probably not too thrilled about Hillary, but I can't see them doing a 180 and voting REPUBLICAN... that would be ludicrous.

Should probably just start making mental peace with our future President Hillary Clinton.
They aren't gonna vote republican. They aren't gonna vote at all.
02-04-2016 , 12:46 PM
No one will be attacked more vigorously than Hillary and instead of using verbal judo and accepting it, she'll have to fight it. And it's not like total fantasy imagined birther nonsense. She has some real, though overblown, issues.

Last time the Dems went with the guy who could never win the GE.
02-04-2016 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by imjosh
They aren't gonna vote republican. They aren't gonna vote at all.
This. I'll still vote Hillary, but the 18-30 year olds or w/e will turn out for Bernie, but not for Hillary.
02-04-2016 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BigPoppa
I'm super paranoid the Supreme Court could basically invalidate all our environmental laws by ruling them "takings" for which we have to compensate the polluters.
They'll be deciding this issue soon enough.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/us...tion.html?_r=0

"In announcing the rule, Mr. Obama said, “One in three Americans now gets drinking water from streams lacking clear protection, and businesses and industries that depend on clean water face uncertainty and delay, which costs our economy every day. Too many of our waters have been left vulnerable to pollution.”

“With today’s rule,” he added, “we take another step towards protecting the waters that belong to all of us.”

Speaker John A. Boehner, Republican of Ohio, called the rule “a raw and tyrannical power grab that will crush jobs,” adding, “House members of both parties have joined more than 30 governors and government leaders” to reject the rule.

The E.P.A. and the Army Corps of Engineers jointly proposed the rule, known as Waters of the United States, last spring. The agency has held more than 400 meetings about it with outside groups and read more than one million public comments as it wrote the final language.

The rule is being issued under the 1972 Clean Water Act, which gave the federal government broad authority to limit pollution in major water bodies, like Chesapeake Bay, the Mississippi River and Puget Sound, as well as streams and wetlands that drain into those larger waters.

But two Supreme Court decisions related to clean water protection, in 2001 and in 2006, created legal confusion about whether the federal government had the authority to regulate the smaller streams and headwaters, and about other water sources such as wetlands.

E.P.A. officials say the new rule will clarify that authority, allowing the government to once again limit pollution in those smaller bodies of water — although it does not restore the full scope of regulatory authority granted by the 1972 law.


The E.P.A. also contends that the new rule will not give it the authority to regulate additional waters that had not been covered under the 1972 law.

“For the water in the rivers and lakes in our communities that flow to our drinking water to be clean, the streams and wetlands that feed them need to be clean too,” the E.P.A. administrator, Gina McCarthy, said in a written statement.

“Today’s rule marks the beginning of a new era in the history of the Clean Water Act,” said Jo-Ellen Darcy, assistant secretary for the Army Corps of Engineers, which co-wrote the rule."


To me, it's stuff like this where Hillary's competence and expertise Trump Bernie's single issue focus.
02-04-2016 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by imjosh
one vote mattered in like 7+ caucus locations in Iowa (for the remaining county delegates)
it should be obvious that the smaller the voting district, the higher the chances that the vote comes down to one vote. In this case, for the vote to "matter" it would not only have to swing that county delegate, but that county delegate would have to swing the distribution of delegates to the convention, and the convention would have to hinge on that one delegate.

When we start talking about general elections, though, the district size is at the state level, and there's virtually no chance one vote is going to matter (though, it should be noted, the chances are orders of magnitude greater than one vote mattering in a nationwide popular vote).
02-04-2016 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
This. I'll still vote Hillary, but the 18-30 year olds or w/e will turn out for Bernie, but not for Hillary.
I'm in my mid/late 20s and registered to vote for the first time ever for this upcoming election cycle. I didn't even go out and vote for Obama. I'm voting for Bernie in the primary and if he doesn't get the nomination it's highly unlikely I will go out and vote for Hillary in the general election. That's my read for a majority of first time voters around my age that I know.

Last edited by beansroast01; 02-04-2016 at 01:16 PM.
02-04-2016 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
The only Supreme Court issue that could actually make the world a better place would be something that helps with campaign finance reform. Hillary isn't going to appoint anyone who could threaten her bribes.

It's so pathetic to vote for Hillary over Bernie because of fear. That's what they want you to do.
This is an extremely white male centric viewpoint.

For gays who want to marry, minorities who want to vote and women who want to still have reproductive rights the next two to three scotus choices are super important.

Things are only "settled law" for as long as the scotus doesn't shift right and reinterpret in a new lawsuit. Abortion rights are especially under attack right now to the point its practically illegal in several states to get one.

Plus good luck getting that Bernie nominee through congress. He is never getting the person you think he will. The system isn't designed that way.

Last edited by [Phill]; 02-04-2016 at 01:18 PM.
02-04-2016 , 01:16 PM
Going out to vote is for noobs anyway. I have voted by mail for like 20 years.
02-04-2016 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
This is an extremely white male centric viewpoint.

For gays who want to marry, minorities who want to vote and women who want to still have reproductive rights the next two to three scotus choices are super important.

Plus good luck getting that Bernie nominee through congress. He is never getting the person you think he will. The system isn't designed that way.
Like Hillary's picks are going to sail through.

The Hillary people are fear mongering like a bunch of Republicans.
02-04-2016 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by imjosh
I'm in my mid/late 20s and registered to vote for the first time ever for this upcoming election cycle. I didn't even go out and vote for Obama. I'm voting for Bernie in the primary and if he doesn't get the nomination it's highly unlikely I will go out and vote for Hillary in the general election. That's my read for a majority of first time voters around my age.
this is disappointing. came for the pretty girl winking at you in the stands, didn't stay to hear the message.

y'know, i thought that the "youngs" gave a **** about social issues, the environment, and so on. i guess i was mistaken. all they care about is their student loans, idealistic ideas that have no chance of flying in a national election, and so on. **** it, if they can't have bernie, screw the ideals of the democratic party. selfish.

since you weren't a voter before, i guess it isn't a "vote lost", so that is a slight consolation.
02-04-2016 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by imjosh
I'm in my mid/late 20s and registered to vote for the first time ever for this upcoming election cycle. I didn't even go out and vote for Obama. I'm voting for Bernie in the primary and if he doesn't get the nomination it's highly unlikely I will go out and vote for Hillary in the general election. That's my read for a majority of first time voters around my age that I know.
This is also me for the most part.
02-04-2016 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
This is an extremely white male centric viewpoint.

For gays who want to marry, minorities who want to vote and women who want to still have reproductive rights the next two to three scotus choices are super important.

Things are only "settled law" for as long as the scotus doesn't shift right and reinterpret in a new lawsuit. Abortion rights are especially under attack right now to the point its practically illegal in several states to get one.

Plus good luck getting that Bernie nominee through congress. He is never getting the person you think he will. The system isn't designed that way.
You're going to have to try harder than this if you're trying to convince me that a vote for Hillary over Bernie is a win for gays.

      
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