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02-23-2012 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kowboys4
http://www.ctj.org/pdf/USP-RepTax-Report.pdf

fortune 500 companies who exploit loopholes tend to disagree with you.

There are loads of companies that pay an effective tax rate of zero or less. If you want to talk about sucking off the government tit look at big business. Corporate tax rates around the world in most civilized nations are 20 - 35%. Our effective rate is somewhere in between 15 - 25% which is very competitive.

The reason any business is leaving is because the labor is cheaper which is quite different then the tax code which is very favorable to business here.
Yes some companies are chosen by the government and given tax money. When you look at the big picture including all corporations, the USA is close to the least competitive among 1st world countries.
02-24-2012 , 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by krmont22
Yes some companies are chosen by the government and given tax money. When you look at the big picture including all corporations, the USA is close to the least competitive among 1st world countries.
I think there is a huge difference between being chosen and using an accountant to exploit tax loopholes and I believe most companies that pay really low taxes fit under the second category. More importantly I would imagine that if you were a big company you actually pay some of the lowest taxes in the world but if your a small to mid sized company your handed the shaft. Thats why Obama's corporate tax plan is actually a winning strategy because it will help small to mid sized companies try to be on a level playing field.
02-24-2012 , 09:29 AM
How does it help mid/small corporations?
02-24-2012 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by kowboys4
I think there is a huge difference between being chosen and using an accountant to exploit tax loopholes and I believe most companies that pay really low taxes fit under the second category. More importantly I would imagine that if you were a big company you actually pay some of the lowest taxes in the world but if your a small to mid sized company your handed the shaft. Thats why Obama's corporate tax plan is actually a winning strategy because it will help small to mid sized companies try to be on a level playing field.
Exploit loopholes? They are there to be taken advantage of and if they weren't the tax rates would be much lower. Personal I think we get rid of all tax loopholes (on the corporate and personal level) and make personal income a flat rate (above poverty line) and get rid of corporate tax. This would get the economy going and could possibly increase tax revenues long term.

However, we still have an anti-business president right now so don't expect any business to be helped.
02-24-2012 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
However, we still have an anti-business president right now so don't expect any business to be helped.
So he was trying to hurt all those businesses he bailed out with billions of dollars? Interesting strategy.
02-24-2012 , 11:48 AM
Stimulus: anti-business, auto-bailout: anti-business, payroll tax cut: anti-business, corporate tax cut: anti-business.

Bahba you really need to stop listening to conservative talking heads 24-7.
02-24-2012 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Yeah just lol at that being an example of media bias. Shows how far around the bend you have to be yourself to honestly believe FNC is the least biased news source out there. I mean I don't even think peetar believes that.
I think the straight news shows is the least biased on TV. Shep is a NY lefty. Wallace plays it straight but I heard him say he personally supports gay marriage. Brett does a fine job of a straight up news show, with the execption of the round table line up of 2 right 1 left, but that is a great part of the show.

Ted Baxter is center right. Hannity is a strong conservative, Greta is pretty much a centrist.

The news is balanced, most balanced on TV. The evening shows are right. So in total the network is right leaning, but thats because of the opinion shows.

They do so well because of the bias of all the other TV news programs.
02-24-2012 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Personal I think we get rid of all tax loopholes (on the corporate and personal level) and make personal income a flat rate (above poverty line) and get rid of corporate tax. This would get the economy going and could possibly increase tax revenues long term..
Re: a flat rate income tax

A flat tax rate means the people who can least afford it (lower and middle class) get to pay more money in order to save money for the upper class and businesses. If the majority of consumers now have less spending money, the economy is going to shrink.
02-24-2012 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Exploit loopholes? They are there to be taken advantage of and if they weren't the tax rates would be much lower. Personal I think we get rid of all tax loopholes (on the corporate and personal level) and make personal income a flat rate (above poverty line) and get rid of corporate tax. This would get the economy going and could possibly increase tax revenues long term.

However, we still have an anti-business president right now so don't expect any business to be helped.
Nothing better than a conservative who is hugely critical of the public debt, eating up the flat tax + no corporate tax idea that would bankrupt the country.
02-24-2012 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Weatherhead03
Nothing better than a conservative who is hugely critical of the public debt, eating up the flat tax + no corporate tax idea that would bankrupt the country.
What makes you think a flat tax couldn't be revenue neutral? Not saying I advocate this plan but your assertions of bankruptcy seem unfounded.
02-24-2012 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Weatherhead03
Nothing better than a conservative who is hugely critical of the public debt, eating up the flat tax + no corporate tax idea that would bankrupt the country.
Nah, if we just get rid of food stamps and NPR and the EPA and end Medicaid and leave poor people who can't pay for their health care to die we'll be fine.
02-24-2012 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
What makes you think a flat tax couldn't be revenue neutral? Not saying I advocate this plan but your assertions of bankruptcy seem unfounded.
The bankruptcy assertion is based on the fact that the debt is continuing to climb at a fairly rapid rate + the recent studies done on Newt and Ricks tax plans which were quite similar ( I believe flat tax of 15% plus slashing corporate taxes) which would add ~7 trillion to the debt by 2021.
02-24-2012 , 04:36 PM
I think a flat tax with no loopholes would be better then the tax system we have now. A progressive tax system would be even better.
02-25-2012 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
You can't ask questions about the things Republicans actually believe, that will make Republicans look bad!
No one wants to ban contraception. Stupid topic.
02-25-2012 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
You can't ask questions about the things Republicans actually believe, that will make Republicans look bad!
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Originally Posted by willwes23
No one wants to ban contraception. Stupid topic.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...xrs=share_copy
02-25-2012 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Yeah just lol at that being an example of media bias. Shows how far around the bend you have to be yourself to honestly believe FNC is the least biased news source out there. I mean I don't even think peetar believes that.
Mainstream news shows aren't biased at all.

They just choose not to report on the stories which make Obama look bad. Unless it's a Congressman who tweets his private parts or a solar company that cost taxpayers $550 mil, and even those stories get about as much play as a pregnant wife in LA traffic.
02-25-2012 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by willwes23
Mainstream news shows aren't biased at all.

They just choose not to report on the stories which make Obama look bad. Unless it's a Congressman who tweets his private parts or a solar company that cost taxpayers $550 mil, and even those stories get about as much play as a pregnant wife in LA traffic.
Yes, because Laura Ingram commenting on the First Lady's thighs and arms is the most important thing to this nation right now. This is the solipsistic wining of the Republicans, the MSM doesn't cover Obama's communist/Islamic/radical environmental/anti business/anti religious/baby killing stories enough. That's because most people look at the those stories and really don't see a story, but it takes Glen Beck to draw it out on a chalk board to make it all make sense.
02-25-2012 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Wow. Well after mainlining 6 1/2 mins of MSDNC spin and John Oliver quips, I never once heard Santorum say he plans on banning contraception. He may personally disagree with the idea of birth control or abortion. But unlike democrats, conservatives don't need everyone to agree with them to get along.

Few examples:

If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one. If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life. If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is embarrassed. If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he's in labor and then sues.
02-25-2012 , 12:58 AM
If homosexuals want to marry, Republicans may not agree with it but they understand that that homosexuals want to get married and so they should.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/a...ernor-15716250

and yes you missed the part where Santorum wants to severely restrict contraception because it violates "natural law" and wants to outlaw abortions even for rape victims so that the mothers can enjoy their rape baby gift from God.
02-25-2012 , 01:01 AM
You should update your views stereotypical views on all liberals

I personally don't want to see guns banned, really don't care too much for universal healthcare as it's presented in the states right now, and really have no clue how I'd act if I slipped on the floor of a store. I'm assuming I would just snap my leg into place, buy some duct tape and be on my way.

Playing around with non ideological stereotypes is very boring. Conservatives this... Liberals that.... it's like watching a bad Red Eye show on Fox.

Last edited by Huehuecoyotl; 02-25-2012 at 01:06 AM.
02-25-2012 , 01:34 AM
Obviously plenty of republicans have already realized this. But how long until the majority of republican politicians realize their on the wrong side of history and start looking for way to come out pro gay marriage?

Some longer than others obviously, Frothy will probably stay anti gay forever.
02-25-2012 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
If homosexuals want to marry, Republicans may not agree with it but they understand that that homosexuals want to get married and so they should.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/a...ernor-15716250

and yes you missed the part where Santorum wants to severely restrict contraception because it violates "natural law" and wants to outlaw abortions even for rape victims so that the mothers can enjoy their rape baby gift from God.

No politician would ever try to "severely restrict" contraception.

It would be political suicide.

Again this is a stupid topic, brought about by the democrats to change the narrative off the stagnate economy, gas prices, inflation, etc. With the added benefit of stirring up a portion of the non voting population (namely the uniformed and ignorant fornicators) who otherwise would be shampooing their dogs on election day.

HOWEVER, it's sad that NONE of the republican candidates had the stones to say, "My personal beliefs are irrelevant in comparison to the issue at hand, which is a sitting president that believes in a totalitarian society and wants to drastically transform America".
02-25-2012 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by goofball
Obviously plenty of republicans have already realized this. But how long until the majority of republican politicians realize their on the wrong side of history and start looking for way to come out pro gay marriage?

Some longer than others obviously, Frothy will probably stay anti gay forever.
Hell when is Obama going to come out pro gay marriage?
02-25-2012 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Hell when is Obama going to come out pro gay marriage?
I know. I understand that in 2008 it wasn't politically expedient. But if doesn't do it this election cycle I will be very disappointed.
02-25-2012 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by willwes23
With the added benefit of stirring up a portion of the non voting population (namely the uniformed and ignorant fornicators) who otherwise would be shampooing their dogs on election day.
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