They risked their lives to get out, knowing that the odds were they'd be captured and tortured death. Traveled miles in darkness through hostile territory, often with no supplies and no directions.




Remind me again: why haven't you guys left the US yet? Too much of a bother?

Yeah moving to a new country is really easy and you'll still get to pay income taxes for ten years, because you know, the US government owns you.

Representation tho

States rights, guyz, maybe some people want to live in a country with a social safety net and a strong military. This is why we have decentralized decisionmaking so that people who want that can live there and people who don't want it can move somewhere else.


Maybe you need to watch some Ron Paul Youtube videos?

So? Isn't the opportunity to escape the tyranny of the US worth any price? And it's not like the IRS is really going to spend a lot of resources tracking you down in whatever remote ungoverned region you've left to.

Fly do you think the federal government should prohibit marijuana and other drugs or do you think that should be left to the states iyo? Should the federal government be busting state legal dispensaries in California and other states?

Lirva for all your complaining about income taxes arent you unemployed? serious question not trolling

I am currently, yes.

have you ever drawn unemployment food stamp or welfare benefits? again serious q

negative, but I'm starting to think maybe I should just say **** it and use and abuse the government any way I can imo.

*nods* was just curious. If those benefits were available to you (not sure if they are or not) would you take advantage of them or refuse based on principle?

I think the federal government should force the states to not put people in jail for the use or sale of drugs. Cuz arresting people for those things is immoral imo.

The "if you don't like it, then get out" argument is very classy. Matter of fact, I left a year ago. I will be sending in my absentee vote.

I am not against all taxes. I understand that some taxing has to exist. I however want my taxes to be apportioned and/or indirect.

Income tax is the one I have a big problem with. People should be allowed to spend their labor in anyway they see fit.
You can not use force on anyone violating their rights. You are allowed to do anything you want as long as you aren't hurting others, using force, violating rights, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republi..._United_States

We do not have a democracy. We are/used to be/supposed to be (debatable) a republic. No majority however large can violate the rights of an individual because they voted on it. Democracy is by far the worst form of government. It allows people to abuse and force others to do things against their will.

except for all the others shabam

Guyz, if you don't want to pay taxes, start a church.

Not sure if pastors and priests pay taxes? Anyone? Buellar?

So if the country takes a vote on killing all the Jews, and 51pct vote yes, you are fine with this? 75% 95%? What about taxing them more? What about putting them all in jail? What about making them wear something that denotes them as a Jew?

I've gotta run and decided to be lazy.

Can someone explain the allegations that Obama requested that the NDAA section 1031 wording be changed to specifically include Americans for indefinite detention?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubD4vyjC37k

did a search for section 1031 and saw nothing ITT

I'm not on welfare based on principal imo.


But again. The government would put me in a cage for smoking weed, why shouldn't I abuse it? I'm debating imo.



I wouldn't be opposed to that. Unfortunately, the federal government is the reason so many people are in jail in their respective states. If the government didn't prohibit drugs, maybe the states wouldn't either.

You keep saying this like it would personally impact you. How much money are you planning on making overseas? And if you're not planning on coming back, why would you send in a check even in that case?

So you are positing that no one ever moves outside of the USA and makes money? They never decide to move back? This does personally affect me. Do you think it reasonable to have to pay 7 years of taxes to the USA if you move out of the country?

I don't think LirvA has any idea what the law is. I didn't even ask the relevant questions there, but that's sort of beside the point.

the best part about democracy is u don't even have to vote for stuff like internment camps and assassinating citizens

You mean like when they voted to pass the NDAA and then assassinated an American citizen?

I love how most Repubs on this forum have such selective reasoning when it comes to freedom, equality and selecting winners and losers.

A. Give Religious institutions a right.
B. Don't give the same right to other institutions
Result: Picking winners and losers.

A. Give religious institutions the right to deny women contraceptive coverage.
B. Work at a religious institution and need contraceptive coverage.
Result: Not equality.

A. Have another entity be entitled to choose what you can and cannot have in your health care plan.
B. Be constricted in what choices you can and cannot make for your own personal health.
Result: Not Freedom.


Yet, obviously your rights are being taken away.