Private juvenile detention centers in Pennsylvania worked pretty well, remember that judge that was taking kickbacks for sending kids there for **** like talking in class?

EDIT: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29142654/

"Massive success."

Thanks for the link.

Wow, that is pretty ridiculous:

7 people dressed like zombies playing music = some kind of faux terror attack? Some people are just beyond dumb.

• "Do not use the Green line or the Yellow line. These rules are even more important at night" ---"Paint Maine Red"'s advice to Tea Party tourists visiting DC.

lol Where is FlyWF? Tea Party confirmed racist???

Three points about the mosque controversy (I'll put them in here since the conversation seems to have been moved here after the closure of the other thread):

1. This is not just about the location of the proposed mosque, a lot of it is about mosques full-stop, as this story from the Washington Post shows.

2. I might have spoken too soon when I said earlier that Imam Rauf shows no signs of having anything to do with Islamism. Christopher Hitchens points out in an article on Slate, that Rauf penned a pretty appauling apology for the election stolen by Ahmadinejad and the brutal crushing of the Green Movement in Tehran last year. He also says that Obama should respect the dictatorial rule of the clergy and thier lapdogs, as a government which expresses the will of the people(!):

This is not an argument against the building of the mosque, but I think it's worth noting in order to be able to view the Imam realistically, instead of creating a false picture of what we would like him to be.

3. I posted before that this ridiculous and bigoted opposition plays right into the hands of Al Qaeda and similar groups who are desperately seeking to get Muslim people to buy the Al Qaeda-pushed narrative that this is a clash of civilizations (it's not, though Al Qaeda wants it to be), a war between 'the West', led by America, and 'Islam.' This point has also just been made by a top terrorism analyst.

It seems the people who are opposing what they call jihadism right now are actually the ones doing the most to strengthen it in a real sense.

More like attempted racism imo, this is pretty crappy advice.

I like this guy in general but this was particularly amusing imo.

Dylan Ratigan is the winner at political talk show hosting.

His awesome fireworks rant is around 8:40 or so, but the whole thing is pretty solid (aside from Glen Greenwalds dogs occasionally barking)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...21103#38821103

agreed don't know if Richmond Highway is the nicest place to stay either...

I was informed that Obama wasn't born inside the U.S. Therefore, Sasha and Malia are anchor babies.

I don't know how much a typical school costs, but my understanding is that the whole state of California has dire public finances and that maybe this isn't the best time to start massive new public sector projects. Maybe $578M isn't that much though for a new school, but if it is then the fact that a bunch of other cities elsewhere overspent on schools isn't a very meaningful defense.

My high school has 7.6k students, and cost much, much less than 578m

Washington Post gives us a pic with funny balloons:

This is so true. The way to deal with terrorism is to embrace moderate Islam and support them whenever possible. George W. Bush knew this.

Ugh. This is especially depressing for me because I live in Tennessee, though in a suburb of Memphis.

We actually have a lot of Muslims around here. My daughter's best friend at school is Muslim. (She is 10 and gets seriously pissed off when she sees anything about the Mosque on the news.)

I'm just waiting for some idiot to say some **** and I don't think it will be long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8vz-...layer_embedded

crazy racist right winger at it again

how is this a cost???? the cost is to the taxpayer, not the govt.

besides, barry don't deal in piddly sums, until you get near a trillion it's of little consequence.

In other news..... my employer's refusal to pay me what I want is costing me 12 million $$$ per year.

Are you one of those people who believe that higher taxes does not result in higher revenue?

to answer your question, higher tax rates will not always equate to higher revenue. Case in point, Greece just raised tax rates on tobacco and revenues are not meeting expectations (not even close).... I will try and find acite.

http://blackswaninsights.blogspot.co...t-working.html

The revenues are less than 25% of the expected amount.... economies are not static, taxes being raised will cause less of an activity, taxes being cut will encourage more of an activity.... it's really not rocket surgery.

Anyway....using the logic in your previous post, if you do not send me the money in your bank account, you are costing me money.

Do you believe in that kind of economic/accounting mumbo jumbo? or do you not get how rediculous that portion I bolded actually is.

They are still spending the same amount and now have to borrow more to pay for it, which you will pay interest on. Therefore it costs you money.

What are the Republicans smoking? Those cuts are set to expire. It would take new legislation to "extend" them. Legislation that would have to be championed by Democrats. Just not going to happen.

There's nothing ridiculous about it. The part I quoted made the reasonable point that government revenue would be down under the GOP approach. You may disagree with that conclusion, but it seems like a sensible observation to make.

No, the part you quoted called it a cost..... when you are talking taxes, there is the tax payer and the tax collector. The cost is on the payer side of that relationship, not the collector side.

While I agree that it's unlikely, there has been a bit of a groundswell of the "you don't raise taxes in a recession" meme amongst a lot of the right-wing TV personalities/politicos. The attempt to massage public opinion on the issue is in full swing.

So you're just quibbling about the term, but not the actual point about reduced revenue?