Paul D is a Very Serious Person

I know you don't care about most of the issues when you show up pvn. But have you ever considered politics is Very Srs Bsns?

The doctors don't just push the pills, sometime they take them themselves: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29...operating-room

This is not a meaningful conspiracy. Oxycodone is not particularly unique opiod, it's just better (doesn't stimulate histamine release like morphine, doesn't have a toxic metabolite like meperidine, actually works unlike propoxyphene, lasts for more than 11 seconds unlike fentanyl, less allergies than dirty natural opiates, etc). Everyone already knew what opiods are all about.

You say this like it's a bad thing. The government recognized a social problem with people abusing oxycontin and asked a company to try to come up with a way to curtail that. In exchange, they offered patent protection. This is everybody doing what they should be doing.

Apparently the manufacturer claimed otherwise.

Less drugs more hatehatehate in here, plz.

Maybe the 80 pills was an exaggeration - but I'm sure he was in the ballpark.

I got some kind of super-alleve **** from that doctor, as well as lidocaine patches, and some other lidocaine thing, and he wanted me to get some weird oil mixture from the pharmacy in the lobby of the building. And a script to get physical therapy but that shouldn't count I guess.

Here's his website. http://www.glaserpainrelief.com/

Suzzer getting that flax seed oil treatment

lol ikes as always - nice complete evisceration

I skipped the oil. The downstairs pharmacy looked really crowded and the whole thing seemed like bull****. I've take my 6 of the super-alleve and have never used the lidocaine.

I'm sure it has plenty of great uses, and nobody (afaik) is calling for it to be banned or anything. In fact, I think where things stand right now are about where they should be. The cause and solution to the current opioid epidemic already happened. Unfortunately we still have the long tail of millions of new life-long addicts who never should have ended up in the risk pool to begin with.

Oh, and ikes. We can't forget the real tragedy where he had to take a few extra steps one evening to get somebody else's prescription filled for them. Just a devastating situation right there.

We could put drug dealers to death and end the heroin problem all together.

**** off, that's only the beginning of the problem's we've had... and there's nothing more scary than to see your loved one in pain, trying to do something about it and not being able to.

I don't think JTM's that bad of a guy.

And if they were given morphine instead they'd be in the exact same spot.

Sarcasm aside, that is a big deal. Pain is under-treated largely due to stigma and living with pain is really bad for millions of reasons.

Super complicated issue, lots of ins and outs. Trying to distill it down to simple narratives like itt doesn't make for great conversation.

yo zikzak can i come over, drill a hole in your femur, and withhold any pain medication to show you much of a tragedy that is?

ikes, you are free to make a substantive argument that the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction if you wish. I will read it. If you can present your case well enough you might even change my opinion. For now I'm looking at an unprecedented opioid epidemic with skyrocketing addiction, overdose and death rates.

Didn't he do that by describing the qualitative experience of trying to get pain medicine for a loved one in pain?

Except for the fact that they got filthy rich off of an unsafe product that was also patent protected for close to 15 years. They paid a fine sure but they still reaped the rewards in the end.

I'm also not convinced that pain is under treated as much as its incorrectly treated. Most of the data I know about comes from pain treatment in cancer patients, in which opioids have been shown to provide relief at increasing doses. A lot of our chronic pain treatment stems from that information, which is how we end up with people treating nebulous chronic pain with 200mg morphine SR three times a day when we have no idea whether that is going to help or whether we're just testing addiction or opioid-induced hyperalgesia. I agree, though, that is a complicated topic and we're probably not doing it a proper service discussing it here.

If you're really worried about overdose and death rates pushing than you should be pushing for clean needles and legalization/decriminalization instead of drug warrior bull****. You're instead pushing to put the government between doctors and patients in a way you'd never support in, say, an abortion clinic. Hope that helps.

The makers of Sudafed did the same thing - fought tooth and nail in any state that wanted to put it behind the counter or make it prescription - knowing full well 90% of their sales were going to smurfers.

Ikes we can have those things in addition to increased prescriber and pharmacist awareness of opioid distribution to patients, it's not like you have to choose one or the other. Honestly you come off as just trying to ensure that doctors can continue doing whatever the hell they think is right without any potential consequences, despite some thinking "right" is throwing around scripts for opioids for everyone with a sore knuckle.

I hope this is a joke, it's the whole country.

lol when he has absolutely nothing left, this is what comes out

define what this is exactly, cuz i gotta feeling you have no ****ing clue. No one is arguing against more 'awareness' either.