So who is going to get rid of these oppressive governments? Batman? Surely, it will be another organization that many people come to join that will eventually become another government.

The simple fact is that the statist system came to be in every single advanced culture in the history of man. How can you ignore the fact that the market requires a state over anarchy? Do you think these flawed and oppressive regimes came to power by accident? In A land, do you not think that these oppressive regimes would all of a sudden not come again?

Or are we to the point where we are sprinkling our magic fairy dust to ignore the fact that in the power vacuum of anarchy people demand the statist system? Even an oppressive one. If we are, let me know, because this is where most anarchists are about equal to truthers (ZOMG FALLACY) in that we are past the point of honest discussion.

The mafia only thrives when governments create black markets, but they still have their bread and butter, protection rackets. The government has this too, which is just one of the reasons they are so similar to a mafia. Your vegas example doesn't make a ton of sense when you consider the state to be a mafia.

I can imagine an AC land where security companies prevent protection rackets from forming, and those that can't, go bankrupt. But I would think that one major security company would eventually grow very large, and gain a monopoly of sorts. The implications of that would be bad, though they might be better than the 'justice' monopoly we have now.

I think you're very much on the right track, although I would guess that the competition would be greater than you guess. Who knows? The argument that drives me crazy is that we need to give absolute power to bad guys in order to make sure that bad guys don't get absolute power.

I'm pretty sure that in 100 years we'll look on our faith in democracy the same way that today we look at the divine right of kings. I mean, how could anyone think that 'representatives' who have to fight for reelection every few years can possibly represent the people? Already, most of the non-voting population realizes this.

nope. that answers the rest of the post, i think, too.

as long as you're prepared for cutting off your democratic-republic hair and having it grow back into a dictarorship/theocracy/communist state/whatever happens to rise to power.

so let me get this straight...you guys think its like...luck of the draw? We're just running hot here in the US?

WAT

The black markets are the "Bread and Butter". Protection rackets are little side games, mostly conducted by lower-ranking guys to build their own little sub-feifdoms. Without the aura of the larger group behind them, they aren't very effective.

I hit black 17 times in a row on a roulette wheel a few years back at Fitzgeralds in Tunica. Unfortunately it was 3:00AM on a tuesday, and nobody except the dealer and a couple of floormen got to see it. I had chips stacked up about 3 feet by the time red finally fell.

While this is true, the fact that people realizing this leads them to not vote means that things just get worse and worse as the intelligence level of the average voter drops, so people should really vote anyway despite this.

my apologies to the ACists and anyone else who had the misfortune of reading my posts.

i'll go away

meh! don't imo.

3 Questions:

1. Who is this Burlap person and why does he pwn the Acers so easily?
2. Who is writing for Iketoys and why does he pwn the Acers so easily?
3. Who is to say the "Security Company" doesn't just get bored like Burlap and Ike and take all your groovy ACtoys so easily?

I used to be a democrat until I realized that it was stupid to be a democrat and the rich powerful evil companies would rule the world no matter what. One day you will mature enough to realize this.

There, I just pwned you as badly as Burlap has ever pwned anyone.

LOLDemocrats.

There, I just pwned you as badly as ikestoys has ever pwned anyone.

also, http://youtube.com/watch?v=mdPuAs0dY4E

LOL. When I was younger I went through periods of Libertarianism and Conservatism, and then I settled on Old School Liberalism which ldo gave us Private Property, Personal Freedom, and Free Thought. Without Liberalism, there would be no ACIdeas, no Rush no Hannity, just the King and his status quo. The tele and neo-con cluster-tards tried to give Liberalism a bad name when in fact it is everyone's political mother. You should learn to respect your mother or at least learn where she was born.

Do you really think that you could ever convince even 20% of the population to just close down Washington, their respective state capitals, and local govt's to hand over control to some wingnut talking about anarcho-capitalism? LOL. That's really funny to think about.

no wonder you think burlap was pwning people. this is embarrassing. 'hand over control' was my favorite part.

Why do you always attempt to knit yourself a life preserver instead of answering the questions that are directly asked?

Me:
3. Who is to say the "Security Company" doesn't just get bored like Burlap and Ike and take all your groovy ACtoys so easily?


Yes, I laughed many times during this thread because the AC position was layed bare for what it is: Pie in the Sky Foolishness.

OMGLOLOL WHAT IF GODZILLA COMES AND SHOOTS LASERS!

WHAT IF THIS EVIL DUDE WITH LIKE ALL THE MONIES COMES AND BUYS 99% OF THE LAND AND IS GOING TO GAS YOU TO DEATH IF YOU STEP ON IT!

WHAT IF YOUR ****ING LAWS, ****** RULES AND CORRUPT LEADERS ENSLAVE PEOPLE TO OBEY THEM AT ANY COST!!!!!!1!1!!
WAIT? WAT?
WHAT ABOUT THE POOR!!

what would you do if that happened now? this is called the deathstar and its like a firstgrade level question.

Let me make sure I have this correct, Feltstein. You are worried that one of the...dozens...hundreds...of private security companies will gain too much power and cause trouble. So your solution to this is to give ALL of the guns, fighter planes, and nuclear weapons to a single company, and then hope that they act properly...despite copious historical precedent. And then you laugh at US for being pie in the sky? This is really whats going on, here?

Well, at the very least, it should be fun to see what ideology you land on next week, you've still got dozens left to choose from.

No, it would be much better if 100 of your AC Security Companies had nukes and chemical weapons. Then we could truly get the benefits from competition to see who could blow up the competition quicker. I can't wait for that goofy dreamland.

I guess my ideology needs some work. I mean, I don't have this Deathstar thing you're talking about. Sounds wicked.

Have they done any research on what the average age of Acers is? In my experience it seems to be an ideology that finds an audience in the naive and idyllic Freshmen and Sophomore years of college but then after a few years working and in the real world it quickly fizzles out.

Feltstein,

Your "arguments" are juvenile and terrible. Just one big morass of strawman, ad hominem, and condescention. Why do you even bother to type the same crap over and over again? You should keep a notepad open with a link to any one of your posts that you can just cut and paste.

Grow up.

Copious historical precedent of what?

No, I don't plan to dump all our weapons to one goofy security company. I plan to leave things pretty much the way they are, except for a few obvious tweaks. It seems that a National Government and Military has worked fairly well for the last 230 years in this country. Again, do you really believe that you could convince even 20% of the population to turn our security over to a handful of your pie in the sky security companies? Whatever you're smoking or drinking, I want some.

QED.