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03-14-2012 , 05:26 PM
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No, it stands to reason that they're lying to themselves. And they feel so terrible about it because they have conflicting wants and on some level they know full well that they're not quitting because they don't really want to and they feel like **** because they feel like they should want to and that they're a crappy person because they don't really want to.

And that's actually most of what addiction is anyway. The physical aspect of addiction is nothing compared to the mental aspect.
You can use the old "They're lying to themselves" argument to discount what people tell you about anything. It's utterly unconvincing.
03-14-2012 , 05:27 PM
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I've answered this plenty of times. Because I don't respect the act of smoking and don't think they should have the right to smoke in a public place around non-smokers. It's a really stupid activity that has very little upside and a huge downside. They have chosen to partake in this ******ed and unnecessary act, so they should not be catered to in any way.
and yet many bar owners see a financial advantage to catering to them
03-14-2012 , 05:31 PM
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I have bigger concerns with letting the government get involved in regulating smoking inside someone's home.
Yeah. Like, hotwings.
03-14-2012 , 05:33 PM
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Yeah. Like, hotwings.
Nicely done. That's actually pretty funny.

Funny thing is, I don't even like hotwings.
03-14-2012 , 05:33 PM
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You keep making this about Me or wetzel personally. We're speaking for all non-smokers that don't like to be around smoke. Not just us.
Throwing my 2 bits in as another non-smoker.

As we've all been saying from the beginning, Goodie, this is all about you and what you want.
03-14-2012 , 05:33 PM
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I've answered this plenty of times. Because I don't respect the act of gambling and don't think they should have the right to gamble in a public place around non-gamblers. It's a really stupid activity that has very little upside and a huge downside. They have chosen to partake in this ******ed and unnecessary act, so they should not be catered to in any way.
obvious.

why should gambling in public be legal?

And don't bring any of that "sole purpose" nonsense, plenty of people who don't gamble go to casinos (they have conventions, and shows and buffets and theme parks).
03-14-2012 , 05:35 PM
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LirvA is kind of like the Spice Girls. No one ever admits they listened to them, but somehow they sold like a billion albums and if you look at the pop scene you see the mark they left all over it.

LirvA's influence is much the same on this forum. No one admits listening to him and everyone is "LOLirvA" but let LirvA make an OP anywhere on 2p2 and it becomes a magnet for posters.

Then you look at how his politics have been picked up in this forum, LirvA's an amazing guy.

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03-14-2012 , 05:35 PM
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You keep acting like second hand smoke is this sneak attack where there's no possible way people could know beforehand that they are being exposed to it.
Probably because I don't think that's terribly relevant, and it's very difficult to come up with examples where people are expected to freely allow themselves to be assaulted with advance knowledge, since we otherwise just accept it's not ok to assault other people.
03-14-2012 , 05:37 PM
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Throwing my 2 bits in as another non-smoker.

As we've all been saying from the beginning, Goodie, this is all about you and what you want.
Not true. If I was the only one that didn't like to be around smoke, I wouldn't have even posted in this thread. Not even once.
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Probably because I don't think that's terribly relevant, and it's very difficult to come up with examples where people are expected to freely allow themselves to be assaulted with advance knowledge, since we otherwise just accept it's not ok to assault other people.


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Probably because I don't think that's terribly relevant, and it's very difficult to come up with examples where people are expected to freely allow themselves to be assaulted with advance knowledge, since we otherwise just accept it's not ok to assault other people.
wat

whether someone is informed or not is INCREDIBLY relevant. that's the difference between sexual assault and a massage.
03-14-2012 , 05:38 PM
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Probably because I don't think that's terribly relevant, and it's very difficult to come up with examples where people are expected to freely allow themselves to be assaulted with advance knowledge, since we otherwise just accept it's not ok to assault other people.
Boxing, paintball, liquor, gambling, concerts..
03-14-2012 , 05:40 PM
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obvious.

why should gambling in public be legal?

And don't bring any of that "sole purpose" nonsense, plenty of people who don't gamble go to casinos (they have conventions, and shows and buffets and theme parks).
Wow, ummm, gambling doesn't cause a health issue for those around the gambling. Not to mention, once again, the problem that there is more of an upside (obviously my opinion but likely shared by most others) to gambling than to smoking.
03-14-2012 , 05:41 PM
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Boxing, paintball, liquor, gambling, concerts..
2+2 2nd hand smoking threads...
03-14-2012 , 05:43 PM
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Wow, ummm, gambling doesn't cause a health issue for those around the gambling. Not to mention, once again, the problem that there is more of an upside (obviously my opinion but likely shared by most others) to gambling than to smoking.
The upside is purely your opinion.

There are definitely issues for those "around" gambling. If you're a kid and your dad gambles away all your food money for the month you're going to have some issues.
03-14-2012 , 05:43 PM
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Andz,

I don't like reading Goodie's posts. They make me sad (quality of life reduction), which makes me less productive and probably has a negative impact on my lifespan. I just want to come to 2+2 and not be forced to be exposed to these posts that are negatively affecting me.

Should Goodie be banned?
bump for goodie
03-14-2012 , 05:44 PM
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later d00dz, I'm going to gamble (and sit around smokers).

(at a private club)
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The upside is purely your opinion.

There are definitely issues for those "around" gambling. If you're a kid and your dad gambles away all your food money for the month you're going to have some issues.
Not the same. There are no immediate health issues. And I don't agree with someone gambling away food money for their kids either but I don't think the government should be involved in regulating that for people.
03-14-2012 , 05:47 PM
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Already covered why this is a terrible analogy, unless you think the fan Ron Artest punched consented to it.
03-14-2012 , 05:48 PM
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Not the same. There are no immediate health issues. And I don't agree with someone gambling away food money for their kids either but I don't think the government should be involved in regulating that for people.
So your arbitrary line in the sand is drawn at "it must have immediate health issues"?

And that's the one you want to force everyone else to follow against their wills?

And were you the one calling other people egotistical earlier, or was that wetzel?
03-14-2012 , 06:15 PM
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Already covered why this is a terrible analogy, unless you think the fan Ron Artest punched consented to it.
The fan is irrelevant to the analogy. You're not "the fan" you're the guy hopping into the ring or onto the field.

I don't really wanna get decked by UFC guys, so I stay out of the ring.

A better analogy is if a UFC fighter comes out of the ring and punches a fan, thats sufficient to ban UFC (in public places LDO)
03-14-2012 , 06:17 PM
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So your arbitrary line in the sand is drawn at "it must have immediate health issues"?

And that's the one you want to force everyone else to follow against their wills?

And were you the one calling other people egotistical earlier, or was that wetzel?
No, I was being called egotistical. Yes, the health issues piece of this argument is big for me. If it didn't cause health issues, I would likely let it go.
03-14-2012 , 06:19 PM
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I assume you're also against letting people have houses near power lines or factories that put off pollution?
03-14-2012 , 06:24 PM
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I assume you're also against letting people have houses near power lines or factories that put off pollution?
Why would that be? Can't anyone here just argue the actual issue instead of trying find an analogy that works? It's really maddening.
03-14-2012 , 06:27 PM
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The issue has been argued. You're against letting people make choices for themselves. I'm just wondering what other choices you want to make for people to save them from their own free will.
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