2017 "Tax Reform": They'll Screw This Up Too, Right? - Page 21 - Politics and Economics

Labor does vote, so they are effectively deciding what the top marginal rate and deductions are going to look like. High-earners and "labor" are not in totally disconnected realities and elections. High-earners who are employers should concern themselves with the labor's concerns. You are just utterly confused about the subject.

10-23-2017 , 11:38 AM

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ecriture d'adulte

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Originally Posted by sylar

Lol....just let Wookie defend his statement if he wants. Don’t think he wants/needs help from the likes of you.

10-23-2017 , 12:01 PM

#503

sylar

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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte

Lol....just let Wookie defend his statement if he wants. Don’t think he wants/needs help from the likes of you.

Wookie's post meant that even at $1M, looking at the financial gain of lower taxes is too shortsighted since that chunk pays for a vastly better society/economy/etc. and you are aghast that "free" $200k would make everyone immediately try to grab it. And the reason you think that is because you think $1M earners don't begrudge the billionaires a bigger tax cut while the "labor" is only interested in themselves. Go ahead and lie about your position again dumdum.

10-23-2017 , 12:11 PM

#504

eyebooger

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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte

High earners have the same concerns as billionaires.

No.

10-23-2017 , 12:40 PM

#505

ecriture d'adulte

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Originally Posted by sylar

Wookie's post meant that even at $1M, looking at the financial gain of lower taxes is too shortsighted since that chunk pays for a vastly better society/economy/etc.

Sigh....this is the exact same for billionaires. Which, if you could read, is MY point and the opposite of Wookies. I’m shocked at how hard easy stuff can be for people like you. Wookies point may or not have merit, but maybe sit down and let somebody not dumb argue it.

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10-23-2017 , 12:57 PM

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suzzer99

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Originally Posted by awval999

Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States

Holy **** they really are going after 401(k)s. Ugh.

10-23-2017 , 01:12 PM

#507

sylar

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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte

Ha! And now you've flipped again. You are failing the Turing test pretty hard buddy.

10-23-2017 , 01:18 PM

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batair

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Originally Posted by Victor

not its not. thats the point. the richie rich ie the top .1-1% have enough that they can take care of the lower classes.

the middle class is shrinking greatly. it seems that those salaries are nice but they really arent, esp when you consider the cost of raising a kid and the cost of living as compared to the 60s and 70s.

the point is that the so-called middle class is a lot worse off than it was in the last generations despite overall profits drastically increasing.

The avg med income where i live is about 40k. I would not consider 250k middle class here.

10-23-2017 , 01:24 PM

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Victor

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Ya that's my point

10-23-2017 , 01:32 PM

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SenorKeeed

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250k certainly isn't rich though

10-23-2017 , 01:34 PM

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Trolly McTrollson

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Lower upper class perhaps.

10-23-2017 , 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

Ya that's my point

Guess im not sure about your point then. Mine is with 250k you would be living high on the hog here. Lakefront property and 3000+ square foot house would be no problem.

10-23-2017 , 01:50 PM

#513

suzzer99

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Best attempt I've seen yet at getting the point across.

10-23-2017 , 02:14 PM

#514

ecriture d'adulte

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

No.

The arguments are exactly the same. “Sure, you’re going to pay less in taxes with Republicans in charge but you shouldn’t vote for them for X, Y and Z”.

A pitch designed for Joe 50k isn’t going to apply to a guy making 1 million in a law firm or hedge fund.

10-23-2017 , 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

250k certainly isn't rich though

That depends on your zip code.

10-23-2017 , 03:44 PM

#516

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Many Americans including me and my wife are ecstatic with the child tax credit doubling. We don't like billionaires and millionaires receiving huge tax breaks but the extra money we receive on our taxes will be a nice consolation.

10-23-2017 , 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Best attempt I've seen yet at getting the point across.

I like this one:

10-23-2017 , 04:13 PM

#518

eyebooger

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My personal favorite on the subject:

https://twitter.com/smotus/status/922435785713860608

10-23-2017 , 04:32 PM

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Victor

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Originally Posted by maulaga58

you do realize the proposal is to get rid of the personal exemption and the exemption for dependents.

ya but arent they getting rid of the personal deduction and the dependent deduction?

10-23-2017 , 04:54 PM

#520

suzzer99

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Exhibit A of how they can take from one hand and give with the other and confuse the base.

10-23-2017 , 05:14 PM

#521

Huehuecoyotl

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If I remember the math, people with kids get hit hard by the tradeoff

10-23-2017 , 05:20 PM

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Jbrochu

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[x] Dependent child
[x] Work in high income tax state
[x] Own house in high property tax state
[x] Middle class salary

Looks like I'm bending over again.

* I wouldn't even mind the increase if it was going towards better education and social programs.