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03-06-2016 , 10:57 PM
No. Next question.
03-06-2016 , 11:03 PM
Bernie, you are a Jewish atheist. That's all. No question.
03-06-2016 , 11:08 PM
The womenfolk are freaking out that Bern told Hilldawg to let him talk or whatever he said. Sad!
03-06-2016 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies
The womenfolk are freaking out that Bern told Hilldawg to let him talk or whatever he said. Sad!
Bernie got a little more combative than usual. Probably not good.

But, Hillary can more than handle it.
And, it will really be something if it's Hillary v. Trump.
03-06-2016 , 11:16 PM
Pretty sure John Podesta killed Vince Foster and many of Bill's prostitutes.
03-06-2016 , 11:16 PM
Cthulhu for America ‏@cthulhu4america 12m12 minutes ago
As a God, I do not pray. I act. #DemDebate
03-06-2016 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Bernie got a little more combative than usual. Probably not good.

But, Hillary can more than handle it.
And, it will really be something if it's Hillary v. Trump.
That's for sure. Hillary is alpha and all of the opponents he's crushing are betas.
03-06-2016 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
He is kind of paving the way for some defections.
Bernie -> Trump people were never Democrats.
03-07-2016 , 01:07 AM
I really wanted to like Hillary Clinton but she is the worst. Also, Anderson Cooper is a horrible moderator.

Last edited by jwd; 03-07-2016 at 01:18 AM.
03-07-2016 , 01:18 AM
when santa claus wants to beat u up its tough to look good. what can u do? everybody loves santa.

cruz speaks to the dullest of his base 100% of the time. Hill has a base of millions and not all are balancing their flop check-raising range or whatever. she bull****s them sometimes to be a 96% fav against santa and 2:1 against generic GOPer. she wants to win.

and u can be like yeah well she is lucky santa is a old socialist and Republicans are nuts. well u know what (u will need to insert dramatic pauses and play in your head cheesy music here)... for some players... luck itself is an art.


Last edited by anatta; 03-07-2016 at 01:34 AM.
03-07-2016 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by pvn
lol

Her argument is terrible and a naked appeal to emotion.
He didn't do a good job framing his own argument either, even though I agree with his stance on this.

So many bad questions this debate, ruined it for me. Bernie absolutely crushed the first ~30 min or so. Fumbled a bit on guns and a couple of other questions. They both dropped the ball when asked the gotcha question about teacher's unions. Bernie had a better closing statement than usual.

I'm not sure if it's a weakness or a strength that Bernie doesn't dodge questions much. He almost always tries to answer what's given to him, even if the question is awful. Hillary on the other hand deflects everything.
03-07-2016 , 02:45 AM
Hillary's answers on infrastructure and fracking weren't necessarily as bad as they seemed (though I don't agree with her), but they seemed bad.
03-07-2016 , 02:57 AM
The answer on the bank of Boeing too. Not only did he score on it being mostly for big companies, he explained pretty clearly how he fought for the inclusion for small companies.

Now, maybe propping up Boeing is worthwhile given Airbus' support in Europe, idk. But, Hillary was misrepresenting things very cynically and that's such a common thing for politicians to make it out like programs help small biz or individuals when they massively favor big business. (Farm subsidies for example)
03-07-2016 , 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Hillary's answers on infrastructure and fracking weren't necessarily as bad as they seemed (though I don't agree with her), but they seemed bad.
Just like with everything else, she tries to communicate the subtlety and can't do it as well as her husband (who could), where as Bernie just takes the hardline don't compromise position that sounds good and gets an applause.
03-07-2016 , 03:22 AM
Bill could probably deflect better. She should be able to muster the ability and courage to explain why it's a good idea to do some fracking or to have a smaller infrastructure budget.

Jesus, she's so afraid to alienate one person with her honest opinion that she can't be pinned down as more conservative than an avowed socialist.
03-07-2016 , 03:29 AM
Her strategy of primary one micron to the right of Bernie and general election as close to the GOP as she can get could not be more transparent. She ran away from the 1990s tonight, but freeing up business and being tough on crime will be achievements to boast about in the GE debates.
03-07-2016 , 04:23 AM
she is going to be a generic democrat just like obama. if you think you yourself are heir to your own karma, that you are responsible for your own life, but you dont want an economic crash or a war by mistake and it would be nice if we could make some progress, then vote for her. u will still get sick and after she is done you will wish you were the age you are now. but enough with the nit picking, oh she doesnt mean this or that...she'll do her job.
03-07-2016 , 04:32 AM
Guys, is it true that if i'm white, I can't understand what it's like to be poor? I listened to what Bernie said tonight and apparently, my whole life was a lie. Please help.
03-07-2016 , 04:40 AM
It was an awful question and his answer though worded VERY poorly is being taken out of context. The context was that white people don't know what it's like to be poor AND black and live with the police harassment and racial profiling in the ghettos (the dragged out of a car . The experience of poor white people in both cities and outside of them is quite different in that regard. Arrest statistics back this up. Sanders literally grew up poor, and he said as much in his closing argument. Also, he is white.
03-07-2016 , 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by imjosh
It was an awful question and his answer though worded VERY poorly is being taken out of context. The context was that white people don't know what it's like to be poor AND black and live with the police harassment and racial profiling in the ghettos (the dragged out of a car . The experience of poor white people in both cities and outside of them is quite different in that regard. Arrest statistics back this up. Sanders literally grew up poor, and he said as much in his closing argument. Also, he is white.
Yep, this is what happens when you speak in generalities about race. Don't think he did much to dispel the stereotype that only black people live in ghettos, or that only black people are poor, not to mention trivializing poor white peoples experiences.

This is why he is not resonating with minorities. He pandered to the social justice warrior, who are typically white liberals and put his foot in his mouth.

Of course he was talking about privilege, and of course it was a gaffe. As poker players, I would imagine you would have an ability to read people. The question did not rattle him, he spoke clear and unobstructed, and it was evident he was following a constructed logical narrative in his mind and that he was comfortable with it.

The fundamental issue in his logic is, he should not be thinking of comparing white people to black people, ever. It's a lose-lose. Black people all over the country get persecuted by cops, because they are black. It's that easy. Bernie does not understand the nuances of talking about privilege since it's obvious he really does not understand privilege. Although, I'm sympathetic to him not understanding a divisive concept such as white privilege that alienates poor, uneducated, white people, who only think their experience is being trivialized when it's brought to their attention that they have some intangible benefit that does not appear to be helping them, it's an epic gaffe. Talking about white privilege will never, ever play well to poor white people and it will only push them further into an ideology that's already ingrained into poor white culture.
03-07-2016 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Jesus, she's so afraid to alienate one person with her honest opinion

This has been her biggest problem forever. Cf focus groups to figure out if she should wear a mets hat or a Yankees hat during her senate campaign.
03-07-2016 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Jesus, she's so afraid to alienate one person with her honest opinion that she can't be pinned down as more conservative than an avowed socialist.
I wonder what happens when you say something honest but don't necessarily word it optimally?

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Originally Posted by NomoneyHU.
Guys, is it true that if i'm white, I can't understand what it's like to be poor? I listened to what Bernie said tonight and apparently, my whole life was a lie. Please help.
Oh, right, you get "you didn't build that" all over again from aggrieved white men
03-07-2016 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by pvn
Definitely, her subtext has been "I'm just like Bill" to the middle aged people and "I'm just like Obama" to the kids
Thinking about this more, it's not exactly true. It's pretty amazing that she's just like these two guys when we're talking about something non-controversial they did, like help an old lady cross the street, but if you mention anything bad they did then suddenly it's an unfair sexist smear.

Kinda like the fact that she is a serial interrupter but if you say anything about it it's gonna get hastagged as the patriarchy keeping women in their place all over twitter.

https://twitter.com/JoseCastilloJr/s...40020242202624
03-07-2016 , 09:45 AM
I saw a video on Facebook of a black man speaking at a Bernie Sanders rally, and his point was that when Bernie was interrupted by the BLM protestors, he stood back and listened. Whereas Hillary said 'shut up, we'll talk later.'
03-07-2016 , 10:14 AM
actually she said "shut up, now back to the issues" because you know, things black people care about aren't legit issues.

      
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